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Quote: keighley1 "Miscreant,
I don t want the Bulls to go belly up but, after the way that certain director, was instrumental in the backroom shenanigans which resulted in our promotion being denied, it s hard not to think that it s some kind of richly desrved cumuppance which is going on right now. After all, ultimately, it was that denial of promotion and the place in SL which ultimately led to the Cougars bankruptcy.'"


Caisley is not (yet) a director. And the majority of fans I talk to would prefer him not to be so again. Some hold similar views on him as you do.

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Quote: TypingMonkey "I hope Bradford pull through this and I want them to stay in SL, but how they can justify taking donations to stay afloat and still not selling any players or renegotiating contracts I just can't understand.

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Because the reason most of us put money in is so we didn't have to see our young stars leave. It would be one mighty way to pi$$ us all of if they sold Bateman and Elliott now.

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Quote: SIMMSFAXTEDDY "Bradford shouldn't be treat any differently than other clubs that have gone belly up - but they will.

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Yeah, they should chuck us out like they did with the smaller clubs like London, Wakey and Crusaders.

Oh, Wait...

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Quote: Ewwenorfolk "Yeah, they should chuck us out like they did with the smaller clubs like London, Wakey and Crusaders.

Oh, Wait...'"


Point of order.....London set the trend...there were no rules in place and therefore, none were broken. In addition,the RFL never gave us a brass farthing and didn't buy our ground for us and we didn't beg for 500k by tugging heartstrings...other than that...good point well made icon_lol.gif

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TBH, if anyone was surprised that Caisley's "independent review of the club" found that the financial state was "far worse than thought" then you'll be in for a terrible shock when I tell you that there's no Father Christmas either.

It's long been Caisley's plan to let the Bulls fail, then come charging back in and be hailed as a hero. The only reason it's taken so long is because of the previous board trying their best to sort out the mess he left the club in when he stepped down as chairman in 2006

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Quote: Noel Cleal "£100k a month??? How is that even possible.

They spend £1.6m a year on first team players, get £1m a year from Sky so they have to pay £50k a month out of their own pockets for the players.

You would think that other staff and rent would get cancelled out by shirt sales, sponsorship and gates.

I guess having 10k fans that pay buttons for their season tickets doesn't help but there has to be something else going on to lose that much during the season.'"


Stadium upkeep (now rent), debt interest etc etc

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Quote: Starbug "They dont have any'"


Players under contract, the commercial facility at Odsal icon_wink.gif

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Quote: littlerich "Replace one financially weak club with another? Why?

Maybe some SL clubs should be asking themselves if they can really afford full time squads.'"


This, and the similar "time to reduce the cap" argument will lead us into a race to the bottom. Similar to the Tories austerity plans. We (the game) can either go all out to grow our income (not without risk of course), or obsess with shrinking our costs. The latter plan is deeply flawed, because unfortunately we have the spectre of Union which can pay for talent if we decide to pay peanuts across the board. This just leads to a downward spiral - who wants to sponsor a sport of amateurs? RL's only long term hope is income growth. 'Local' challenges at Bradford worry me far less than the overall lack of inspiration from the RFL as to how the game's income is going to grow - primarily, how are we going to attract sponsors and media? The answer BTW... no need to thank me - not my idea icon_smile.gif ... is to concentrate marketing around the players, the rivalries and other stories. Banging on incessantly about what a great set of rules we have is totally pointless.

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Quote: RLBandit "how are we going to attract sponsors '"


Well, the RFL are putting that gear in reverse by offering sponsorship for cack all. I've not even seen a SL Stobart truck yet.

If the game is to expand (you do that by enticing investors) then racking up massive debts isn't the way to go. You want to go down the Gordon Brown/Greece route? Why would any investor touch a Northern sport that's massively in debt and which has no popularity whatsoever outside the M62?

Now, show that all clubs can make a decent profit and you'll have investors willing to take the game to other areas of the country.

Yes, it's all very fanciful and we all know that every sporting club in the world runs at a loss, blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately in the UK, the game of Rugby League is stuck along the M62 corridor with a spattering of interest in the South of France. It will NEVER EVER be anything different no matter how many dreams this may shatter. Get used to it and try and improve the game we do have left in this region of the country.

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Quote: littlerich "Well, the RFL are putting that gear in reverse by offering sponsorship for cack all. I've not even seen a SL Stobart truck yet.

If the game is to expand (you do that by enticing investors) then racking up massive debts isn't the way to go. You want to go down the Gordon Brown/Greece route? Why would any investor touch a Northern sport that's massively in debt and which has no popularity whatsoever outside the M62?

Now, show that all clubs can make a decent profit and you'll have investors willing to take the game to other areas of the country.

Yes, it's all very fanciful and we all know that every sporting club in the world runs at a loss, blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately in the UK, the game of Rugby League is stuck along the M62 corridor with a spattering of interest in the South of France. It will NEVER EVER be anything different no matter how many dreams this may shatter. Get used to it and try and improve the game we do have left in this region of the country.'"


No, don't want to rack up massive debts...BUT...profit equals income less expenditure, and, as with the 'austerity' debate, its not at all obvious that cutting costs doesn't have an even bigger impact on income. ( e.g. if we lose star players )

FWIW, those clowns who think RL would be better off without Sam Tomkins, etc. are first class idiots, or else hate the game. Hate him, fine, hate him as much as you like, just like people hated Beckham, Rooney, and all those others than put bums on seats and sponsors on shirts. But to say we don't need the likes of Tomkins is the ultimate in defeatism by people who really would rather see us an amateur feeder sport for Union.

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I'm sure they'll be fine now they appear to be a charity, as shown by Kearneys choice of charity to donate his £100 to tonight. Forget the starving African kids or steve Prescott, donate it to my club, wages wont pay themselves you know!

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Quote: Dudley "I'm sure they'll be fine now they appear to be a charity, as shown by Kearneys choice of charity to donate his £100 to tonight. Forget the starving African kids or steve Prescott, donate it to my club, wages wont pay themselves you know!'"


You're joking right

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Bradford are a joke. Why are they just sitting back and expecting everyone else in RL to sort out the huge debts when THEY'VE run their club so poorly they've ended up in this mess?

If they go to the wall who really cares except their fans? No one. Bradford will quickly be forgotton and it will soon be business as usual for the other clubs and their supporters.

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Quote: littlerich "....in the UK, the game of Rugby League is stuck along the M62 corridor with a spattering of interest in the South of France. It will NEVER EVER be anything different no matter how many dreams this may shatter. ......'"


Never has a truer statement been made on here.

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Quote: Mr Dog "Never has a truer statement been made on here.'"

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