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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: j.c "It isn't earned by sl clubs it comes from central funds thats what the rfl have said.
Just cos you think its different doesn't make it so'" So you think that the Super League TV money, which Sky pays to televise matches involving Super League clubs, is not earned by Super League clubs? And that the Championship clubs should be entitled to an equal share of this money despite the fact that Sky do not pay to televise their matches, and that the contract has nothing to do with them at all? Do you think money earned from any future Championship TV deals should be equally split between Super League clubs? |
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22/03/2013
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "It doesnt bother me that the 6 best sides outside SL are currently from Yorkshire and Lancashire. Its irrelevant to me where they are from, my point is that if these best 6 sides outside SL werent from Yorkshire and Lancashire the same people wouldnt be clamouring for their inclusion in SL2
The fact is this nonsense is only about benefiting (temporarily) a small amount of heartland clubs. Its not about the strength of the game, its not about making it stronger or growing the game, its about Leigh and Halifax fans wanting a place at the top table without the demand that having their club at the top table is a benefit for those at the top table rather than a drain.
We dont have the player pool to sustain 20 fully pro clubs, making Leigh and halifax and whichever other heartland clubs it has been decided are flatcap enough to be involved fully pro wont mean they sustain themselves, it wont contribute more players to the player pool than they will take out. It will bring down the standard of play at the top level.
Similarly the game doesnt have enough money to sustain 20 fully pro clubs, including Leigh and Halifax wont generate more money than they would need to make that change.
If Leigh and Halifax want to be in SL then they improve to a level where they add to SL, if they cant, they dont get a place, its not SL's responsibility to bring them up to that level, nor is it SL's responsibility to hold itself back until they catch up.'"
Even though your arguments over the last 2yrs have completely fallen down you still refuse to learn from your idiocy |
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22/03/2013
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| Quote: headhunter "So you think that the Super League TV money, which Sky pays to televise matches involving Super League clubs, is not earned by Super League clubs? And that the Championship clubs should be entitled to an equal share of this money despite the fact that Sky do not pay to televise their matches, and that the contract has nothing to do with them at all? Do you think money earned from any future Championship TV deals should be equally split between Super League clubs?'"
There you go again making things up |
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Another advantage of slightly less games with smaller divisions is starting later and finishing earlier so that the so called summer sport doesnt start in the snow and the Grand Final isnt p!ss!ing down with rain.
I know everyone is repeating themselves with all these arguments, but it is quite a fun debate.
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For the fun of it because if this was to happen it would be years of planning obviously..
If anyone where to choose the teams now for 2x 10 team divisions (higher and lower) what would the teams be based on whatever criteria you see fit.
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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: j.c "There you go again making things up'" No, I've not made that up. You blamed Super League clubs for keeping 'most of the financial pie to themselves'. You also stated that this was a reference to the Super League TV deal. This implies that you think Championship clubs should be given an equal share of the profits from the Super League TV deal. Even if you don't think this, to suggest that Championship clubs should be entitled to any of the Super League TV money is ridiculous, as I pointed out in my previous post. |
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22/03/2013
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| Quote: headhunter "No, I've not made that up. You blamed Super League clubs for keeping 'most of the financial pie to themselves'. You also stated that this was a reference to the Super League TV deal. This implies that you think Championship clubs should be given an equal share of the profits from the Super League TV deal. Even if you don't think this, to suggest that Championship clubs should be entitled to any of the Super League TV money is ridiculous, as I pointed out in my previous post.'"
You did make it up because i said nothing of the sort.
Yes i did blame sl clubs because its a fact that they take 99% of central funds as thats what the rfl say in the link i showed you.
what you think is implied and what is actual fact are obviously two different things |
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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: j.c "You did make it up because i said nothing of the sort.
Yes i did blame sl clubs because its a fact that they take 99% of central funds as thats what the rfl say in the link i showed you.
what you think is implied and what is actual fact are obviously two different things'" Really?
Quote: j.c "Yeah i'm saying it should come from the sky tv contract'"
As I have already explained to you, Super League clubs take the majority of central funding because they generate the majority of this funding. If you think Championship clubs should be entitled to money that they haven't played any part in earning, then that is completely unrealistic. |
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Its quite funny how everyone keeps posting the same views (including me) in the hope it will come true.
And exactly the same posts.
I went to that link the last time we where debating this and some of the negatives listed are things that could/should be looked at if it where to go ahead, which it will because I want it too.
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| Quote: headhunter "Really?
As I have already explained to you, Super League clubs take the majority of central funding because they generate the majority of this funding. If you think Championship clubs should be entitled to money that they haven't played any part in earning, then that is completely unrealistic.'"
what you on about again.
you said that i said championship clubs should get equal funding to what the top league get,i never said anything of the sort,stop making things up,you already sound like a fool.
So you now accept it comes from central funding? |
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| Quote: j.c "what you on about again.
you said that i said championship clubs should get equal funding to what the top league get,i never said anything of the sort,stop making things up,you already sound like a fool.
So you now accept it comes from central funding?'"
In Your opinion, what do you think championship clubs should be entitled to? |
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Me, Im just a lawnmower. You can tell me by the way I walk.
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Yes - lets take a snapshot in time, base a decision about the future of the game on it, and forget all the inconvenient stuff about Sky money, broadcasting rights and the fact that several of the 'top' SL teams were basket cases in the recent past.
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Quote: j.c "'unlock' so the rfl give sl clubs nearly 30 million from central funds and then sl get approximately 17 million on top of that from sky'"
I think you are reading far too much into the term 'central funding'. Central funding doesnt indicate that this money was the RFL's to do with as they pleased, it just means it came from the central source. the £30m was funds distributed to all member clubs, not just SL clubs, of which about £15m was distributed to SL clubs as payment for TV rights. Payments made from Sky, to SLE, then to the clubs, would be classed as 'central funding' even though SLE is owned by the SL clubs.
In fact, the synopsis of the 2010 annual report of the RFL shows this is actually what happens. Funds are paid, from Sky, to a company owned by the clubs and then distributed to those same clubs i.e it never belonged to the RFL.
This link will show you that the RFL had income of £22.8m in 2010, but the total central income across the RFL and SLE was £48.2m, www.therfl.co.uk/about_the_rfl/annual_report |
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Quote: j.c "'unlock' so the rfl give sl clubs nearly 30 million from central funds and then sl get approximately 17 million on top of that from sky'"
I think you are reading far too much into the term 'central funding'. Central funding doesnt indicate that this money was the RFL's to do with as they pleased, it just means it came from the central source. the £30m was funds distributed to all member clubs, not just SL clubs, of which about £15m was distributed to SL clubs as payment for TV rights. Payments made from Sky, to SLE, then to the clubs, would be classed as 'central funding' even though SLE is owned by the SL clubs.
In fact, the synopsis of the 2010 annual report of the RFL shows this is actually what happens. Funds are paid, from Sky, to a company owned by the clubs and then distributed to those same clubs i.e it never belonged to the RFL.
This link will show you that the RFL had income of £22.8m in 2010, but the total central income across the RFL and SLE was £48.2m, www.therfl.co.uk/about_the_rfl/annual_report | |
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