This theory always provokes a passionate reaction. It's a theory I've genuinely held for quite some time. I hope we can discuss it like grown ups but I doubt we can. I'm sure the reactions will be defensive. We've already had "but I like other black players" which might as well have been "some of my best friends are black".

Prior to last season Ryan Bailey had, for a front line prop forward of his experience, a squeaky clean disciplinary record. Only 1 yellow card in several seasons, despite supporters misconceptions about him.

Does he play the game hard? Yes. Does he engage with opposition players in a manner that is dis-similar from any other front rowers playing the game today? Well, if you believed what you read on these forums or heard from supporters on any terrace in the league you would think so. But the reality is, he doesn't He's no better or worse than any single forward playing in the league today and his disciplinary record is better than most.

Earlier in this thread the OP linked to some youtube footage from a game against Huddersfield and was aghast at Bailey's late challenge on Kevin Brown. Yet the same footage begins with an identical challenge on Brown by Kylie Leuluai. Not a murmur. The poster was unhappy at Bailey's fisticuffs in the ensuing melee. But not, it seems, unhappy at the part played by the Australian Caucasian in the same melee who was also given a red card.

We even had a post on Southstander from an opposition fan last year that said Bailey was a criminal who should not get near an England shirt unlike good honest players like Morley and Chris Bridge. It must have escaped that posters attention that Morley and Bridge are nice white boys with criminal records.

Players like Sculthorpe, lauded in this thread for an attack on Bailey, Barrie McDermott, Lee Radford, Adrian Morley and Jamie Peacock are held in high esteem league wide for their hard man enforcer image in the minds of supporters of all clubs. Bailey is only trying to do the same job as them.

I'm not suggesting posters are card carrying members of the BNP but I am certain that there IS an element of racism, whether it be sub conscious or not, in the fact that people really do not like it that one of the very few ethnic front rowers in the game plays the game violently, yet just on the right side of the line, as his disciplinary record would suggest, whatever posters lazy assumptions and misconceptions may be.

I watch Bailey each week. He's an excellent front rower. His offensive work rate could improve but he shows that in flashes. He actually wins Leeds more penalties than he concedes and is one of the most discipline forwards I've seen in the game. Look at the Radford incident in the game against Hull in 2010. Little occurred in the ruck that doesn't occur in every single ruck in a league game but Radford launched an assault on a prone Bailey. Bailey's reaction? Cover up, do not retaliate and win the penalty. Not to mention Radford was dismissed in a game crucial to both team. This is a perfect example of Bailey's conduct and the reaction a perfect example of my theory.Radford, who acted like a thug and an idiot in the incident, was lauded on here for "putting Bailey in his place". Hmmmm. Just pause for a second and imagine your view if the players roles were reversed. If it had been Bailey punching a prone Radford several times and being dismissed for it. Now think back to how you viewed Radford at the time. Food for thought?

I'm sure I will have upset a few people. I'm sure my opinion will be dismissed. But perhaps one or two people might just pause and think about why Bailey, specifically, provokes such a reaction in them, unlike other prop forwards in the league.

And accuse me of drifting towards Godwin's law by all means but isn't such an accusation really an example of the accuser drifting towards Godwin's law rather than discussing the issue itself?

And, btw, I fully support the RFLs decision. Players should never place hands on a match official.

Great post.

And cue one-eyed opposition fan bringing up his court case in 5,4....

If only Ryan stuck to breaking into people's hotel rooms and assaulting them while they were still half asleep like some front rowers lauded on this very thread eh?

Ryan bailey is a Nazi? TMFMISL maybe, but I can't see him being a fan of Hitler.

I dislike Bailey because of what he gets up to on the field. Am I a racist? If your answer is yes, then you, sir, are an imbecile. Do racists exist? Of course they do, do any follow RL? almost certainly, is the primary cause of Bailey being disliked a manifestation of rampant racism? No.

As far as examples go, one that springs immediately to mind is his childish/pathetic downward swinging arm to attack Chris Riley's head in the last play of the 2010 Challenge Cup final.

So why isn't Adrian "drink drive then give a false name to the police" Morley widely villified as a thug for his blatant attempt to decapitate Robbie Kearns - not the first or last time in his career either, by some distance?

Why doesn't Barrie McDermott get ridiculed as a thug, a coward and a bottler despite having a much worse disciplinary record than Bailey?

Paul Sculthorpe had a particularly cheap and nasty streak when it came to dishing it out to less experienced opposition players, yet that seems to get quite happily glossed over, Why is that?

There are plenty of players in the history of the game - and running around SL at the moment - who play(ed) the game right on the margins of what's acceptable and what isn't, yet none of those seem to get the same amount of stick Ryan Bailey does.

If it's not because he's black, then the only other reason I can think of is because he and his club have been extremely successsful and it's down to jealousy.

I'll leave you to decide which it is for you.

He is by a lot of people, Morley only has to make contact with a player 1mm above the shoulder these days for people to be outraged and call for a sine die ban because of his past record.



You've got me, as a player I hated McDermott and wasn't unknown for me to call him a dirty ****.



Are you putting words in to my mouth? See my comments re

lol @ this. You're not even defending Bailey, this argument is along the lines of: "Well he started it miss!". The line "you must be racist if you hate Bailey" is utter, utter, utter, utter b******s. Ben Cockayne gets tons of stick for being a nasty horrible piece of work, too. The widespread rejoice and jeering that went on in the RL community when he lost his job at Hull KR should tell you that. Maybe Ben is of mixed heritage and you can still use your racism excuse for why most people hate him, too? Oh wait, that actually clearly isn't the case.

As for Bailey getting more stick than other players, I'm not entirely sure that's true - there are lots of players who get criticised and/or called names on here, the difference is that single comments turn a small thread in to a 58 page epic every time it happens in Bailey's case because of the Leeds fans being so bloody precious about anybody daring to criticise one of their players.

Now, racism may be prevelant in Leeds and the surrounding areas to the extent that you see it where-ever you look, I don't know, but over here on the enlightened side of the pennines we don't give a **** if somebody's white/black/brown/orange/green/red/blue. Now, if you'd care to answer the question, am I racist because I dislike what Bailey gets up to on the field of play? If your answer is yes, then I suggest you see a psychiatrist to resolve this strange obsession you have.

Really?

How many pages is the thread villifying Ben Westwood for dropping on Brent Webb's head with the forearm up to? Had Bailey done that to Chris Riley, there would be a thread on here a dozen pages long before any Leeds fans had got home from the game.

If you genuinely don't think incidents involving Ryan Bailey get blown out of all proportion by the keyboard warriors on here who are eager to label him a coward and a bottler then you've clearly not been paying attention.

And FYI, I don't believe I actually accused you - or anyone else directly - of being racist.

I missed the forearm incident so I'm not qualified to comment, however, if he did do it and hasn't been punished then the RFL disciplinary is living up to it's reputation of being incompetent (FWIW, as far as I'm concerned Bailey's 3 game ban for pushing the ref out of the way is OTT, a slap on the wrists at the most as far as I'm concerned).

As for if Bailey did it to Riley, he did, in the '10 CCF as I pointed out earlier. I don't recall there being such a massive thread about it though - although I could be wrong, I was in the middle of quite a long hiatus from the site at the time.



What I'm saying is that throwaway comments condemning Bailey for what is mostly niggly play (that should be penalised, but often isn't) themselves get blown out of all proportion. It's unfortunately a self-perpetuating problem. The majority of the threads descend in to not people criticising Bailey, but people arguing amongst themselves as to whether or not they're racist for doing so - this thread is a perfect example of it.



I'm sorry but you can't back out of it that way - It is utterly illogical for you to have the opinion that the majority of criticisms levelled at Bailey are the result of deep rooted racism without implying that the majority of people who have criticised him on these forums are racist.

You are clearly accusing a lot of people who post on here of being racist, since you believe it's a primary reason for it, but you don't dare level it at anyone in particular?

I do not like Ryan Bailey for his antics on [and off] the field. I'll site 2 examples and one rumour.

Example one: Picking up the mighty Kevin brown off the floor, smacking him a couple of times, then running behind the Leeds players when the big boys got involved.

Example Two: Lee Radford pastes Bailey on the floor, Bailey does nothing to retaliate, but instead tries to headbutt the monster of a man that is Sean Long.

Rumour: That Bailey headbutted one of our u20s players after the CC final last year. This has been confirmed by a few players at the club that I happen to know personally, but since there's no evidence it remains just a rumour.

These are just 3 examples as to why I don't like Ryan Bailey - the colour of his skin is not one of them. If this has been done by the oh so white James Graham, I would have the same opinion of him. The fact you bring it up, just shows your own hidden racist agenda.

I see. And do you dislike him more than, say Chris Bridge and Ben Westwood, two players who have recently dropped their forearm onto players? Lots of players get up to lots of things on the field. As I have said, before last year's Huddersfield game Bailey's disciplinary record was cleaner than most players.

So, ask yourself, is your "dislike" of Bailey proportionate to what he really "gets up to" on the field or do you perceive he "gets up to" more than he actually does. Is so, why?

No idea, I've never met you. Are you?

Well it wasn't but your response isn't very intelligent and doesn't really tackle any of the issues I raise so I've formed my own judgment about you. Perhaps it's a prejudiced judgment. People do that, whether they realise it or not, you know.

Yes, they can usually be spotted ranting in a disproportionate manner about Ryan bailey's antics.

If that is your view, then so be it. It isn't mine and had you presented a more cogent counterpoint it might have been.