First point, the shoulder charge should never ever be banned. It is a great spectacle in RL.

BUT, should charges to the head should be banned. If it had have been a swinging arm (Like Tommy Lees) no one would have had any complaints, so why is Moa's any different. He has hit Rinaldi high and has knocked him out cold. Thankfully Rinaldi seems to be ok. Moa isn't a dirty player, he just got the shot wrong. Should barges should never be banned, but i don't agree with others argument saying ti should be OK to smash another players head with your shoulder. But shoulder charges should stay,

And if a tackler goes "downstairs" and is hit by the ball carrier's knee, would that too be deemed a "bad hit"?

We'll be playing flag rugby before we know it

Initial impact hit the shoulder and rode up for me. Just unlucky that Rinaldi had stepped and dummied at the time as it made him lower to the ground.

Unintentional. Not first impact. Not red for me. Same as Bailey on Fa'asavalu a few years ago.

The reaction from the London players said it all to me. Not one Broncos player kicked off or ran in. They just saw him get creamed and thought "bloody 'ell!" Now Kaufusi shortly afterwards was an attempt to take someone's head off. Lucky that he barely connected.

Thanks to you tube I just saw it. On first viewing i would have said it was an honest attempt at a shoulder charge, but it went wrong. DIdn't seem like any intent to brain him. However, it did.

Compare it to "eddy pettybourne massive hit on stanley " last night for Souths. See which was worse.

I can tell you that he only was put on report over here for it as refs here are shıt scared to do anything and would prefer to leave it to a judiciary when it would have no outcome on the game it happened in.

At least back home they have the balls to do something.

Initially though, Silverwood gives nothing and when Moa goes to pick up the loose ball, he moves to take up a position in the Bronco's line, but stops on seeing the Rianaldi injury. During the treatment, he stands and watches the video replay and appears to make his decision based on this.

Some were actually patting Moa on the shoulder after the sending off in a conciliatory manner. Having seen the incident several times now, I feel sure Moa wasn't intending to make contact with Rinaldi's head. Rinaldi's body position was the primary cause of the impact being high as opposed to in the chest area.

Love it. Stop being so soft.

It doesn't ride up off the shoulder at all. It goes straight in the side of the jaw, Straight red.

From the video, especially in slow motion I don't think it's correct to blame Rinaldi's body position. Certainly for several strides he seemed to maintain his level. Certainly a nasty high hit but of course the footage can't show intent.

I think shoulder charges should remain legal - nothing wrong with a well-timed charge. But the fact it was a shoulder is irrelevant. This was a solid contact with the player's head which knocked him out cold. Whether Moa intended it or not is immaterial. If a player steps you and you stick an arm out and clothes-line him, then you also get penalised. If there's a swing to the arm, then it's careless and you'll get sent off.

If Moa had been stationary, and Rinaldi ran into him, I suspect it would have been a penalty only. But Moa launched himself forward, so he was fully responsible for where the contact was made. Unluckily for him (and Rinaldi), he got it wrong.

Correct decision. Need a few more of those in my view - we've changed the rules to stop attacks to players legs which could cause injury. There's no more dangerous injury than knocking someone out with an attack to the head, and a few more red cards might encourage a little more care.

The Sky commentators reckon he gave the red on the evidence of the touch judge. I agree it was a red. I have no problem with shoulder charges. I do have a problem with head high tackles that virtually knock someone unconscious. Makes no odds which part of the body is used to smash them in the head.

The one on the Hull player a few minutes later was a grab that definitely hit the shoulder before the head. I agree though it's hard to see things when it's your team involved

Why is it Hull fans are always playing "the victim". I'm suprised the River Hull hasn't overflowed with the amount of tears coming from their fans over the last few weeks on various issues. Silverwood's crap, Leeds nicked Briscoe off us, the ice played a trick on us in France, Ganson cost us the Wire game, Moa's shot was legal, why are we last on Magic saturday at 7pm, on and on and on. They should be sponsored by Pampers the big babies.

I cant agree. I'm not sure what Moa could have done whilst shoulder charging to either bring his shoulder down or really alter its point of impact. Your shoulder is a fairly immobile part of your body It wasnt a high tackle, how can he be high if he hasnt lifted the arm?

It should be clear, either shoulder charges are allowed or they arent, we seem to have a bit of a fudge at the moment. It was unlucky for Rinaldi and had that challenge not knocked him out i doubt it would really be mentioned.

Both missing the point lads, sorry. The only person responsible for the outcome of a tackle is the tackler. The position of the ball carrier and his motions are in no way relevant. The tackler has a duty not to hit the head. If he does, then there's a variety of things to judge - was it light contact (a slap, rather than a smashed forearm) ? Was the first point of contact elsewhere (still a penalty, but mitigates the severity) ? Was there notable intent (see Mick Cassidy's infamous elbow into the face of the ball-carrier from a tap penalty, circa 1996) ? All these things affect the outcome. But the body position of the ball-carrier doesn't.

Moa made the heaviest possible contact, causing unconciousness. The first point of contact, despite what some Hull fans are saying here, was the chin. There was intent to hit hard, even if not necessarily to hit high (it wasn't a wrong-footed slap - Moa moved into the tackle with intent). I think he'll get SoS. Which I think is fair.

At the game I thought it was harsh, but looking back and seeing it, Sam makes first contact just above the shoulder. No intent to harm the player but just going for a big hit. I think a red card was fair in the end.
Glad to see Rinaldi is fine, and was nice of Sam to make sure he was fine before he left the pitch as well.