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RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
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Runners up : 2001
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| Quote: Saddened! " If this has been planned and discussed and the other clubs are happy with it, then fine, but it seems strange that it's not been discussed publicly by any of the clubs.'"
and it probably was.......so wind ya neck in
as long as every club is allowed to take '1 marquee englishman' off the salary cap then nobody should have a problem with it imo
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| Quote: inside_man "And Saddened, on a side note....
If these rule changes had been announced 2 weeks ago by the RFL, with no mention of Sam Tomkins anywhere in sight, with a clear and concise procoss of what the changes were and how they would affect clubs, would you not be happy that at long last the cap is not only
Half your post about the RFL's PR work has been dealt with in my post above and I agree with you. At the moment there isn't enough information to hang Wigan on the morality cross, just suspicion based on your past exploits. Your points about the benefits of the exemptions are worthy, but it all depends on the impact on the league. For example if Cas got Daryl Clark marquee status (He is being chased by 7 NRL clubs according to reports), would Wigan then be able to sign him and have him on marquee status too?
Saints won't benefit from these rules at all. We lose half a million pounds a season, so if the club spends a penny more on players, it's a penny it cannot afford to spend. If Saints did take advantage of this new rule, I for one wouldn't be happy as we'd be being irresponsible with the club's future.
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| Quote: roughyedspud "and it probably was.......so wind ya neck in
I'm not so sure. I don't think it had even been considered until Sam signed to his Union agent and (quite possibly) told Wigan of his intention to league for Union if he wasn't paid more.
The problem with the 1 marquee Englishman thing is that some clubs will have more than 1. Teams like Saints, Hull KR, Wakefield, Quins, Salford etc won't be able to pay anyone anymore without being irresponsible with their finances, so won't benefit. Wigan, Leeds and Saints with the youth systems they have could quite easily have five or six players that would qualify, so it won't solve a problem at all. Those players won't be able to move in SL as half the league won't be able to afford them and half the league will already have used their one spot.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Half your post about the RFL's PR work has been dealt with in my post above and I agree with you. At the moment there isn't enough information to hang Wigan on the morality cross, just suspicion based on your past exploits. Your points about the benefits of the exemptions are worthy, but it all depends on the impact on the league. For example if Cas got Daryl Clark marquee status (He is being chased by 7 NRL clubs according to reports), would Wigan then be able to sign him and have him on marquee status too?
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I doubt it, I'm under the (current) assumption that the marquee player would have to be produced by said club. That would make more sense, so it's probably the opposite of what they've done! The likes of Graham would have been your marquee maybe, now its probably likely to be Roby.
Quote: Saddened! "
Saints won't benefit from these rules at all. We lose half a million pounds a season, so if the club spends a penny more on players, it's a penny it cannot afford to spend. If Saints did take advantage of this new rule, I for one wouldn't be happy as we'd be being irresponsible with the club's future.'"
But will you still be making such a loss in your new stadium?
It's up to Saints to make a profit in order to benefit from the new rules, the new stadium is a massive step towards this, which is one of the main aims of the whole franchise system. I think it was an earlier post on here in which I said you shouldn't be dragging down the top teams to match the middle, Saints were slipping (in financial terms) towards being a middle team in SL, the new stadium should mean you jump right back up again.
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RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| Quote: Saddened! " For example if Cas got Daryl Clark marquee status (He is being chased by 7 NRL clubs according to reports), would Wigan then be able to sign him and have him on marquee status too?
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no....cos wigan already have their marquee player off the salary cap
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| So if we assume it's one home grown player, what happens if Joe Mellor (Or whoever) comes through and plays like Alex Murphy next season? Does he move to Saracens or do Wigan apply again?
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| Quote: Saddened! "So if we assume it's one home grown player, what happens if Joe Mellor (Or whoever) comes through and plays like Alex Murphy next season? Does he move to Saracens or do Wigan apply again?'"
We then either have a smaller squad, or he goes to Saracens.
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| Quote: Saddened! "So if we assume it's one home grown player, what happens if Joe Mellor (Or whoever) comes through and plays like Alex Murphy next season? Does he move to Saracens or do Wigan apply again?'"
no......cos clubs now have extra cash to bump up other contracts
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| Quote: Saddened! "Have the specifics of this change been announced yet?
Could completely change SL, depending obviously on the details of the new exemptions. If Sam Tomkins is marquee surely Ryan Hall is now too. James Roby, Rhys Evans at Warrington. Josh Charley, Hardaker, Lomax, the young Cas hooker who is wanted by several NRL clubs. Just how far will it reach and how many will each side be allowed?'" If you ask me the best the question is exactly who decides 'Marquee'.
As an example (please dont shoot me down as I know we(HKR) have to many Aussies) would Willie mason have counted?
It would have very likely have kept him away from Frence RU if money was no object!
The RFL have made the SC rules have fuzzy lines as exactly what is right and wrong IMHO.
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| the marquee player has to be english (or qualified for england RL) or else theres absolutely no point having it
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| So the RFL have changed the Salary Cap rules to allow clubs to pay extra to certain ' long serving , Marquee , home produced ' players
But they haven't actually announced it
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| Quote: Saddened! "
So what happens if Wigan find another homegrown, marquee, long serving player who is being sought by Union? Are they allowed to offer him a record deal as well, or is this limited to one per club?'"
Happened a few years ago, they had a young lad named Ashton (whatever happened to him ) who chased the cash.
What happened when he left, easy, they found Tomkins.
Similar to Saints losing Eastmond, replaced from within there own.
We shouldnt be having to have these payments/cap exemptions although i believe the make up of the cap should be looked at and certains concessions allowed for fully developed club players etc.
As for the central contracts, weve been down this road before, Saints go one for Cunningham, Wigan for Radlinski and Leeds, Bulls and Wire too IIRC, but once FC applied for one for Richard Horne , we were told they scrapped them
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| I understand a lot of the reasons for complaints about this deal, but Sam Tomkins is (like it or not) the best poster-boy RL has in England. Losing him would have been a major blow to the credibility of RL, with it increasibngly seen as a feeder to RU. This may not be the best long-term solution, but as a stop-gap to prevent him going, its a very good move.
We aren't like the NRL, we don't produce players of this calibre that often - someone mentioned Ashton, but Sam Tomkins is miles better than Ashton ever was (or is ever likely to be). We simply can't afford real stars to leave.
The difference between the Union and NRL defections is often positional. Union targets outside backs, NRL targets forwards. Until someone like Tomkins goes to the NRL and stars, I suspect no NRL club would look that seriously at signing any SL backs - at least not for big money. The stars who go to the NRL will be those that really want the challenge and are willing to take a pay cut (at least until they prove themselves).
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| Quote: Hutchie "Happened a few years ago, they had a young lad named Ashton (whatever happened to him
Quote: Hutchie "Similar to Saints losing Eastmond, replaced from within there own.'" Yet next season we will see Tim Smith, Isaak Johns, Jarrod Sammut, Ben Jeffries, Brett Seymour, Sam Obst, Mick Dobson, Blake Green, Micheal Witt, Craig Gower, Joel Moon, Daniel Holdsworth, Anthony Watts, Brett Finch with SL contracts. We can talk about how we are replacing young English half-backs with the quality of Eastmond when we arent seeing a league that needs 15 of 26 halfback spots filled by overseas players.
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| Has anything new actually been announced or is it merely a newspaper getting carried away?
There are after all, existing exemptions for long serving and homegrown players in the salary cap rules.
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