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| Quote: G.Price Fan Club "
Salfords ground won't be the newest for long. Who'll be next Wakefield or Cas? I know where my money is!'"
Hadn't really thought about it before, but all of the traditional "Lancashire" clubs have now had new stadia, since the 1980s. No more Watersheddings, Athletic Grounds, Willows, Station Road, Central Park, Hilton Park, Wilderspool, Knowsley Road or Naughton Park.
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| Quote: G.Price Fan Club "Salfords ground won't be the newest for long. Who'll be next Wakefield or Cas? I know where my money is!'"
I hope it isn't on Wakefield then
Did you learn nothing over the summer?
I's also worth pointing out that said document is also a "working document"- that will have evolved considerably since then. FWIW I have been told that 3/4 of the units have been signed for.
Then there's the 106 agreement that means the stadium has to be built first. All of this will be reiterated for you on the 6th of December. Our case was unanimous then & we are facing a smaller opposition, with greater (if not unanimous) support of statutory agencies such as The Highways & Natural England.
But let's not let facts stop you picking up those straws.
Then there's the issue that you can't "unlock" your funding until you have OPP, well we all know how long that can take (at least 3 months) & that's without thinking of the potential (or likely IMO) public inquiry that could ensue (another 18 months).
Yes we have to get FPP before we can start building, but the land will be prepped and ready to go when OPP is given. And just like J32 FPP is simply a case of resolving reserved matters- in & out usually. Yorkcourt & SWAG have said for over a year that FPP was ready to go BEFORE our application was sent to the SoS, so you would imagine it would be no more than updating/ amending (which happens as you go) & handing it over to the council.
All I'm saying is this is closer than you believe or maybe RW will have you believe.
Both cases have potential banana skins, I can see our strides (in terms of prepping our case) to sidestep ours, all i can see is hot air from RW- but that's nothing new. For a green grocer he should be better at side stepping banana skins!
We all know the next 3 years are the (final) final straws for WTW & CT: Build it or lose out. Simple.
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| Quote: G.Price Fan Club "
Then there's the issue that you can't "unlock" your funding until you have [sizeOPP[/size, well we all know how long that can take (at least 3 months) & that's without thinking of the potential (or likely IMO) public inquiry that could ensue (another 18 months).
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According to Dickie Wrights letter in todays Cas and Pont it's Full PP. Quite a major detail change.
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| Quote: MOT "How much will it add to the capacity the extensions to HJ?'"
Won't matter as they can't fill it as is...
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| Quote: deeHell "According to Dickie Wrights letter in todays Cas and Pont it's Full PP. Quite a major detail change.'"
Not a detail change - never has either ever been said, but just 'planning consent'. Only the deluded Cas posters on here could have ever believed that it meant OPP!
Anyone reading RW's statements form a nuetral point of view would have seen that it was never a forgone conclusion. In fact I'd be concerned about Opus themselves as from their own statement it looks as though they didn't know the land was on a flood plain until quite recently. Also I can't find any reference to completed/in progress retail developments on their website despite RW's assertions that they have lots of experience in this area?
Also there appears to be no support for the project from the town centre traders despite assurances that there was.
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Good john wilky last looked out
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| All the info on our new stadium.
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Latest picture of the West Stand (Please ignore blue seats)
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| "Also there appears to be no support for the project from the town centre traders despite assurances that there was."
So - if there is no support from the town centre traders why did most of them agree to use their premises to collect signatures for the stadium petition ?
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| Quote: Tigerade "So - if there is no support from the town centre traders why did most of them agree to use their premises to collect signatures for the stadium petition ?'"
Maybe so they didn’t get their windows smashed, by the hardliners .
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Quote: Tigerade ""Also there appears to be no support for the project from the town centre traders despite assurances that there was."
So - if there is no support from the town centre traders why did most of them agree to use their premises to collect signatures for the stadium petition ?'"
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Quote: Tigerade ""Also there appears to be no support for the project from the town centre traders despite assurances that there was."
So - if there is no support from the town centre traders why did most of them agree to use their premises to collect signatures for the stadium petition ?'"
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
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| Quote: Mr Dog "In fact I'd be concerned about Opus themselves as from their own statement it looks as though they didn't know the land was on a flood plain until quite recently.'"
Ok, this news is out in the open now, I haven't seen the statement!
To be fair to Opus, I understand that this information has come out of work they have been doing on the development recently and when the topographical information came back it was worked out that the 100 year flood level is above the current level by 2m or so! This is not something they would have known without starting to do some work on the project, as it is not on a flood plain as such. This probably means that if they do build a store here, it will end up on stilts. This means more parking (as they won't waste the space), but much more development cost which Opus might have to pass on to Tesco to make things stack up.
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That North East terracing went in mighty quick, they only started putting it in on Wednesday.
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| Quote: Wigan Peer "Quote: Wigan Peer "How much will it add to the capacity the extensions to HJ?'"
Won't matter as they can't fill it as is...
Yep, it was certainly far from full when Wigan came for their SEMI FINAL
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39793_1491679334.jpg "Castleford's biggest home crowd of the 1991-1992 season wasn't quite 12,000 while on average they'd sit around 6000 but the noise, the chanting and the singing just blows you away" - Tawera Nikau "Standing Tall"
"I can tell you the atmosphere was extraordinary at Wheldon Road on big days. The ground held around 15,000 people, every one of them close to the action on the field and the noise would be enough to send a rumble through the town" - Malcolm Reilly "Reilly - A Life in Rugby League":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39793.jpg |
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Ok, this news is out in the open now, I haven't seen the statement!
To be fair to Opus, I understand that this information has come out of work they have been doing on the development recently and when the topographical information came back it was worked out that the 100 year flood level is above the current level by 2m or so! This is not something they would have known without starting to do some work on the project, as it is not on a flood plain as such. This probably means that if they do build a store here, it will end up on stilts. This means more parking (as they won't waste the space), but much more development cost which Opus might have to pass on to Tesco to make things stack up.'"
Nor have I seen such a statement from Opus.
You know as well as I do that anyone proposing such a development would be aware of this from stage one - it's common knowledge. The 1 in 100 year flood level is without any defences in place. There are such defences in place because of the Chemical site. But lets assume you are correct and Tesco/Morrison/Sainsbury or whoever have to raise the building above a car park, that would increase the parking (good thing)without a lot of extra expense.
The alternative site for a Supermarket in the town has been approved for nearly 5 years without takers. The floor area is approx 25% less than Wheldon Road and involves the construction of a 5 and 7 storey building including car parking, approx 80 residential units and other retail units.
I know if I was Tesco or whoever, and wanted to locate to Cas for least cost in the next 12/18 months, which site I would be pushing for.
With regard to the Clan's post of the article in the press from a local shopping manager - let's just say he (the manager) is only "following orders" from his superiors.
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| Quote: bigalf "
.... There are such defences in place because of the Chemical site. '"
Yet the developers of the chemical site are potentially looking at raising the ground level by 2-3m.
Quote: bigalf "
But lets assume you are correct and Tesco/Morrison/Sainsbury or whoever have to raise the building above a car park, that would increase the parking (good thing)without a lot of extra expense. '"
Piling, reinforced floors... yeah, that'll come cheap
Quote: bigalf "The alternative site for a Supermarket in the town has been approved for nearly 5 years without takers. '"
Have you ever thought that it could be because no one actually wants to build one in Cas? There's already 4 supermarkets in the town. That's a pretty saturated market for a population of ca37,000.
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