It doesn't "seem" petty and pedantic. It [iis[/i petty and pedantic.

When discussing "the league", we're discussing the one we're talking about, not every single one of them.

The claim was not about them cheating the quota (although why would they when they had such an exemption?), it was about playing none eligable players.

We can all speculate on whether they were cheating the cap by having super league quality players on their pay roll, inflating their crowds, whatever, that's speculation. We can however say with certainty that they cheated.

Wigan breached the salary cap in 2006 and were docked 6 points in the 2007 comp. Barrow breached the cap in 2010 and were docked 6 2011 points in July this year.Exactly equal treatment (actually Barrow go off lighter their six points equals two matches, Wigan's equalled three matches.

Then Barrow "were found guilty of systemic breaches of operational rules over a four-year period following a lengthy investigation by the RFL's compliance department.

"In addition to breaching the salary cap, the club failed to record in player contracts all financial benefits or benefits in kind."

Which led to today's punishment.

Do you really think Wigan should have been docked 29 points and had a director barred from the game for eight years for not doing what Barrow have been found guilty of doing?

Indeed. The league which has two divisions


Then why mention the quota? And in particular why mention the quota which applied to most, but not all, of the other clubs in the league?


It is indeed. And unworthy of you to mention it.

Actually we can't. They were found guilty of no wrongdoing by the UKBA or the RFL.

Do you really believe your own bull?

tb ...Are you sponsored by an anti- Narcolepsy druc company?

I believe in documented facts over paranoid speculation, certainly. And if anyone can provide facts pointing to different conclusions, I'll happily change my views.

But when the responses consist purely of ad hominim crap, I can only conclude that these counter facts don't exist

Cynical maybe , but also right , if something looks , tastes and smells like a Bannana , the odds are it's a Bannana

I think that 8 out of 10 clubs in the Championship are from Yorkshire , which is not a problem as I enjoy visiting all those clubs

Can you provide a link to the RFL s findings of the ' investigation ' they were supposed to be doing ?

I don't recall seeing it

' Documented facts ' eh ? , is that what the RFL have used to find out what has gone on at Barrow ? , or is it because a disgruntled Australian ex player decided to spill the beans , conveniently once he was back on foreign soil and couldn't be asked to pay back the ' Tax ' he owes

At the end of the day , Barrow have been hammered , they have been hammered because they cheated , we all knew they were cheating , so how much evidence do you need

As for the Crusaders , well let's just say , it wasn't the club that was paying them , and the RFL are hardly going to ' investigate ' themselves ? Are they

This is what should have happened to St Helens, Hull, Bradford, Leigh and Castleford for breaching the cap.

I think I'm correct in saying that Saints have done it on at least 2 occasions.

TB is 100% right in what he's said.

The fact that people are struggling to argue using relevant facts and not speculation and hear say means they are resorting to slamming TB's opinion. It's a sign of losing an argument.

LIAR! Absolute rubbish, everyone knows Wigan are the only team to have broken the cap.

What a gigantic cop out. Don't even bother addressing that. You were wrong.



Merely giving some perspective. I made clear the issue was about visa regulations not quotas.



Have you actually got any evidence of this? I've trawled the archives and found nothing. But it's your assertion, prove it. 6 players being deported because they didn't have the correct visas. Highly sloppy. And a vocal affirmation of an investigation by the RFL, which was never followed up.

And wellsy, you know I've got respect for you, but crawl out of his .

You'd think so reading some of the ridiculous post's on here! Glad tb explained the situation to gazwire though. I don't know exactly what's happened but it seems barrow have messed things up big style.

Funny how whenever a salary cap breach is made Wigan are the first club to be mentioned despite the fact that certain other clubs breached the cap long before we ever did. Obsessed?