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| Quote: justarugbyfan "It was an example.
So you're saying if Wigan offered you an affiliation which would create opportunities for you to loan some exciting, up and coming players and staff you'd say no?
It would be up to the teams how they would run it. I'm just saying that a long term affiliation would probably be better for some clubs than a few one off duel-regs.
The main difference in an affiliation would be the long term part of it all and the fact that there could be off field incentives'"
Explain it without hiding behind the term affiliation. What are you talking about specifically?
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| Quote: Chris Dalton "Explain it without hiding behind the term affiliation. What are you talking about specifically?'"
Right say I was the chairman of Wigan and I said this to good old Starbug who is chairman of Leigh
Quote: Chris Dalton "Dear Starbug,
We would like to offer you the chance to enter an affiliation with us which we believe will bring out the best of both clubs.
The geographical location of our clubs makes it a fantastic idea for us to enter a partnership where we can both work together to improve the future of Wigan Warriors and Leigh Centurions
We would be willing to offer you the following
50k per year fees
Use of 3 U20's or fringe players for loan per season
Possible staff exchange
Facility share
Joint training day so each club can learn new methods etc
Merchandise benefits (selling at each others club shops)
We hope all of this tempts you to join us in an exciting business prospect where we will have the chance to work together for a better RL future. '"
If you don't get it now I'm going to bed
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "It was an example.
So you're saying if Wigan offered you an affiliation which would create opportunities for you to loan some exciting, up and coming players and staff you'd say no?
It would be up to the teams how they would run it. I'm just saying that a long term affiliation would probably be better for some clubs than a few one off duel-regs.
The main difference in an affiliation would be the long term part of it all and the fact that there could be off field incentives'"
And as I said , the dual reg and loan system takes care of all on field collaborations between SL and Championship clubs
So what off field collaborations do you mean considering that we are talking about what will usually be close neighbouring clubs ?
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "Right say I was the chairman of Wigan and I said this to good old Starbug who is chairman of Leigh
If you don't get it now I'm going to bed
This is the first time you've actually given your idea.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "Right say I was the chairman of Wigan and I said this to good old Starbug who is chairman of Leigh
If you don't get it now I'm going to bed
And what does W1g4n get out of this ? , apart from having 3 players on what could be dual reg ?
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| Quote: Starbug "And what does W1g4n get out of this ? , apart from having 3 players on what could be dual reg ?'"
That Leigh may choose to never play.
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| Quote: Starbug "And as I said , the dual reg and loan system takes care of all on field collaborations between SL and Championship clubs
So what off field collaborations do you mean considering that we are talking about what will usually be close neighbouring clubs ?'"
I don't know - I don't manage any clubs but I'm sure we can affiliate
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| My feeling on this is similar to my feeling on mergers...
If my club were at the bottom of the barrel, about to die and there was no way they could survive on their own, then I'd rather still have a club to support than no club at all.
However, I think it's important that if clubs are to become feeder clubs then there is some kind of clause in place that allows for someone to take the club out of the agreement again. In the case of Leigh, if there was no alternative (i.e. no buyer came in and the current owners couldn't fund them any more) and Wigan were to buy them and make them their feeder club, then should a time in the future come when a consortium could afford to buy the club back, the club should be forced to sell for a certain price.
The dual-registration system only allows for a certain amount of players to be loaned out IIRC. If the entire academy were in a feeder team, then it would help all of their development.
I posted a topic a few years ago about how the RFL should allow SL clubs to create their own feeder clubs in the Championship with their own identity separate from the SL brand as an alternative to taking over current Championship clubs (or National League clubs back when I suggested it). This would allow the Championship clubs to keep their identity as well as increase the size of the league so there are more games (so more revenue for clubs) which clubs have been complaining about. Would help the development of players, and in fact would be a brilliant club development tool as well. The SL clubs are effectively creating new clubs that could be bought out in the future.
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| Quote: Starbug "And what does W1g4n get out of this ? , apart from having 3 players on what could be dual reg ?'"
They can learn good on field and off field procedures from the Leigh club and improve the relations between the two towns which will in turn generate merchandise money.
In football, if another club bids for a player from one of the affiliated clubs then the other affiliated team can make an offer that will automatically accepted.
So in practise if Hull make an offer for Jamie Ellis, Wigan then have the choice to do so and then the player can choose his future. Then they could use a loan back clause to loan him back to Leigh so that he gets experience at a club he knows well.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "My feeling on this is similar to my feeling on mergers...
If my club were at the bottom of the barrel, about to die and there was no way they could survive on their own, then I'd rather still have a club to support than no club at all.
However, I think it's important that if clubs are to become feeder clubs then there is some kind of clause in place that allows for someone to take the club out of the agreement again. In the case of Leigh, if there was no alternative (i.e. no buyer came in and the current owners couldn't fund them any more) and Wigan were to buy them and make them their feeder club, then should a time in the future come when a consortium could afford to buy the club back, the club should be forced to sell for a certain price.
The dual-registration system only allows for a certain amount of players to be loaned out IIRC. If the entire academy were in a feeder team, then it would help all of their development.
I posted a topic a few years ago about how the RFL should allow SL clubs to create their own feeder clubs in the Championship with their own identity separate from the SL brand as an alternative to taking over current Championship clubs (or National League clubs back when I suggested it). This would allow the Championship clubs to keep their identity as well as increase the size of the league so there are more games (so more revenue for clubs) which clubs have been complaining about. Would help the development of players, and in fact would be a brilliant club development tool as well. The SL clubs are effectively creating new clubs that could be bought out in the future.'"
That 2nd part is an interesting idea.
Leeds for example set up a feeder club in Leicester who play in championship/championship one using for the most part Leeds youth players and players coming back from injury. When that club hits a decent level and becomes interesting to the local population it is sold and run as club in its own right and leeds set up elsewhere, sounds ideal in theory.
Big problem with that is the costs would be massive.
Another thing is why people think that clubs would be forced to be a feeder club. If Leigh dont want to and can afford not to. They dont have to. If Sheffield wanted to, they should be able but if they dont, they dont have to.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "I don't know - I don't manage any clubs but I'm sure we can affiliate
You don't get it do you , Leigh are not in competition with Widnes,Fax,Fev or Batley , Leigh are in competition with W1g4n,Wire,Saints and Salford
I am reminded of this every time I see somebody wearing a W1g4n shirt this side of Ince
W1g4n would happily see Leigh go out of business and never play again , it would give them a chance to get another 1,000 or so fans
All Championship clubs are not in competition with each other except maybe Batley and Dewsbury , but all Championship clubs are in competition with essentially all SL clubs
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "They can learn good on field and off field procedures from the Leigh club and improve the relations between the two towns which will in turn generate merchandise money.
In football, if another club bids for a player from one of the affiliated clubs then the other affiliated team can make an offer that will automatically accepted.
So in practise if Hull make an offer for Jamie Ellis, Wigan then have the choice to do so and then the player can choose his future. Then they could use a loan back clause to loan him back to Leigh so that he gets experience at a club he knows well.'"
How can improved relations improve merchandise sales ?
Sorry but SL clubs don't make ' offers ' for Championship players any more , they just take them
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| Quote: Starbug "You don't get it do you , Leigh are not in competition with Widnes,Fax,Fev or Batley , Leigh are in competition with W1g4n,Wire,Saints and Salford
I am reminded of this every time I see somebody wearing a W1g4n shirt this side of Ince
W1g4n would happily see Leigh go out of business and never play again , it would give them a chance to get another 1,000 or so fans
All Championship clubs are not in competition with each other except maybe Batley and Dewsbury , but all Championship clubs are in competition with essentially all SL clubs'"
Well I was only using Wigan and Leigh as an example.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "That 2nd part is an interesting idea.
Leeds for example set up a feeder club in Leicester who play in championship/championship one using for the most part Leeds youth players and players coming back from injury. When that club hits a decent level and becomes interesting to the local population it is sold and run as club in its own right and leeds set up elsewhere, sounds ideal in theory.
Big problem with that is the costs would be massive.
Another thing is why people think that clubs would be forced to be a feeder club. If Leigh dont want to and can afford not to. They dont have to. If Sheffield wanted to, they should be able but if they dont, they dont have to.'"
Do it then
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "Well I was only using Wigan and Leigh as an example.'"
No problem , affiliate with Gateshead then
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