A return to P+R would be great, I can't see any advantage to franchising to the game as a whole
plenty of myths about what franchising prevents that have been shown to be wrong already and most of the problems that P+R was blamed for can be solved without losing P+R

I'd love to see P&R back (with sensible caveats). However, I would probably settle for a transparent franchise system where the RFL are held accountable for their decisions and are made to explain exactly why they have come to the conclusions they have.

Right now, the question is why where Halifax worse than the other 13 franchise applications? The answer from the RFL, "Because we said so".

There is no transparency and their is far too much relying on the unmeasurable.

Why has this decended into another Trin vs Fax fight. Unless Im mistaken Trin were in good company receiving a grade C licence and no facts are in the public domain suggesting that Wakefield had the 14th best bid. Am I wrong?

We've already discussed this on another thread

What exactly do Fax have to achieve to guarantee getting a SL franchise in 2015 ?

You didn't answer last time , maybe you can have a better try this time

They have to be at the level of the top club. If they want to be guaranteed a franchise, be at the level of Leeds, Wigan, Warrington or Hull FC.

Bloody hell , a simple answer to a simple question , are you feeling ill ?

So we need to be competitive in SL and then we might be considered for SL ?

That might work

A shoe in then if that's all it needs

No it doesn't. The point you made is a stupid one. You're an idiot.

we could start a 'HATE Stevo' campaign while we're at it!

in all seriousness as a fax fan i see the word 'hate' as a mistake, so soon after our decline of a franchise. however, i do believe that the supporters trust are doing this for the right reasons and not just 'sour grapes'.

Halifax ST know that the RFL aint going to change their minds, but what this campaign might do, live on sky, is get the voice out for fans below SL.

this time Fax missed out, we still havent heard why? but many on here believe its because our bid wasnt good enough, maybe that was the case. But i believe it was because the RFL saw big money Glover and rubbed their hands!

this campaign, if carried out correctly will let the world know that the RL community that choose to support it could make a difference.

the differnce that needs to be made in my opinion is new people in charge of our great sport, people that dont gamble with Rugby league's reputation and gamble on its future, expansion worked with Catalans and i aplaud that, but can any true RL fan say they think its going to catch on anywhere else??!

North east - failed
2nd french team (toulouse) - failed
paris - failed
wales - failed
london - failed (my opinion)

Lewis and Wood have tried......and now its time to let someone else with new ideas in!

give us our sport back!!!!!!!!

Its not your sport, it doesnt belong to you. It doesnt belong to fax. It doesnt belong to anyone, it belongs to everyone.

Also, you cant blame Lewis and Wood for Gateshead, London or Paris.

I wish it was simply called 'Bring Back Promotion and Relegation' without any hate mentioned

It would be a simple, non political, campaign that if enough subscibed to would put pressure on the RFL needed

They may then come out with a mitigated 'we tried and failed due only to the global economic downturn' response

Come on Rich. A completely independent supporters initiative is the be all and end all of your club. Doesn't matter whether there is two people in it or 2000.

Be reasonable.

Can somebody let me know when the 'The RFL are doing a pretty good job in difficult circumstances, expansion of the game is a good thing, franchising is a long term process lets not make any knee-jerk reactions' campaign starts!

Just listend to 5live and Mr Rimmer was on making some rather ridiculous statements. Why the studio let him off the hook over his "preasure test " one had me incensed. The last one was that hs and Mr Noble think that the RFL should take control of any future expansion clubs so that they are run properly. Do they think that every RL fan is so stupid to think that they were not partly controling Gateshead, Crusaders, Broncos, Catalans to some extent with all the help they were given. Now they think that they can run and own an expansion team. Where will that leave the lower clubs. I'll tell you with an even smaller piece of the cake. When will you all realise that before we can expand to other regions we need to reduce the gap between the leagues and show any future areas that the sport as a whole - not just SL - is as fantastic as we all know it once was. Who in their right mind would want to take up a sport where the governing body craps on the people and the areas that built up the game. Time to take the blinkers of SL people and look at the broader picture.