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Why would sky ever pull the Plug? Unless the ratings decline sky have no reason to ditch Rugby League.

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Quote: maurice "Its easy to make gains in boom years, but taking away P&R, more clubs going bump, not controlling imports and a poor international product due to a lack of vision from the top making our great game a laughing stock - time for a change in direction and leaders imho before its too late'"

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thats all ive got to add really.

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Quote: headhunter "
The 'guarantee' is that if a club is good enough it will go up. It would be completely stupid if that wasn't the case and the strongest clubs weren't in the top league. There is now no guarantee that clubs that are not good enough will go up, no.

If you think that a boom-and-bust mentality where clubs are expected to sign a bunch of players to compete for a single season is more secure than a system of sustainable growth, then you are a clown.'"


Celtic Crusaders

The salary cap as long as it is properly administered ( unfortunatly the RFL have shown they apply this rule selectively ) prevents boom and bust

This sustainable growth you talk about , have you evidence of that ?

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Quote: Starbug "Celtic Crusaders

The salary cap as long as it is properly administered ( unfortunatly the RFL have shown they apply this rule selectively ) prevents boom and bust

This sustainable growth you talk about , have you evidence of that ?'"
No I haven't got evidence, you don't need evidence for something like that, you can tell just by looking at the nature of it. Your argument is like trying to argue that black is white. The salary cap doesn't prevent the fact that you can build and invest for years and it still all comes down to one on-field performance, whereas with licensing you can build and invest for years and if you build to a high enough standard you will be rewarded with a SL place. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

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Quote: headhunter "No I haven't got evidence, you don't need evidence for something like that, you can tell just by looking at the nature of it. Your argument is like trying to argue that black is white. The salary cap doesn't prevent the fact that you can build and invest for years and it still all comes down to one on-field performance, whereas with licensing you can build and invest for years and if you build to a high enough standard you will be rewarded with a SL place. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.'"


Celtic Crusaders tell you that if you are in the right place it doesn't matter how crap you are or how much you have been allowed to cheat several rules you will get in SL before other clubs that have strong foundations and potential for sustainable SL occupation

And sorry to remind you , but we are actually a sport , we don't go to look at the stands , we go to stand in the stands and watch what happens ON the pitch , maybe Hull FC should get the SL trophy now for having the best stadium , or Leeds for the biggest crowds , or W1 g4 n for producing the most players , or Quins for having the most cockneys , then we could not bother with the sport , it would save a fortune , it seems to me that is something you find difficult to grasp

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Quote: Starbug "Celtic Crusaders tell you that if you are in the right place it doesn't matter how crap you are or how much you have been allowed to cheat several rules you will get in SL before other clubs that have strong foundations and potential for sustainable SL occupation'"
You're right, despite it making absolutely no sense whatsoever, the RFL are going to adopt a system of putting weak clubs in the top division ahead of stronger ones. Get them out and let's have Mark Rowley in charge.
Quote: Starbug "And sorry to remind you , but we are actually a sport , we don't go to look at the stands , we go to stand in the stands and watch what happens ON the pitch , maybe Hull FC should get the SL trophy now for having the best stadium , or Leeds for the biggest crowds , or W1 g4 n for producing the most players , or Quins for having the most cockneys , then we could not bother with the sport , it would save a fortune , it seems to me that is something you find difficult to grasp'"
We are talking about encouraging a situation in which clubs can develop and compete realistically. Every sport needs good and appropriate administration for it to be successful. Your bizarre rant has nothing to do with anything and I don't really know why I bothered replying.

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Quote: headhunter "You're right, despite it making absolutely no sense whatsoever, the RFL are going to adopt a system of putting weak clubs in the top division ahead of stronger ones. Get them out and let's have Mark Rowley in charge.
We are talking about encouraging a situation in which clubs can develop and compete realistically. Every sport needs good and appropriate administration for it to be successful. Your bizarre rant has nothing to do with anything and I don't really know why I bothered replying.'"


Who is Mark Rowley

I don't know why you bothered either

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1. Any sport which allows the decisions for competition placings to be decided behind closed doors in a boardroom instead of on the pitch has lost all legitimacy as a sport.

2. It is not up to the governing body to 'protect' clubs from themselves, nor should they try - this argument is nonsense. Sport is business - clubs need to only spend what they have. The salary cap (properly enforced) can ensure this, as a protective measure & promote a healthy & entertaining competition.

3. Investment and promotion of the Championship will ensure the long term health of the game. But with no chance of promotion, investment (other than by along term fan done good) becomes nigh on impossible.

4. And no, before the kids start, I don't support a Championship team

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Quote: Starbug "Who is Mark Rowley

I don't know why you bothered either'"
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I really do find it bizarre that people really do think that regarding what is on the field of play is secondary or tertiary to everything else.

In fact the ONLY thing that prevents the game being played anywhere is something that can be called a "ball".

It really is that simple.

The GAME is the key to everything else not the other way round.

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Quote: White Rose Red "1. Any sport which allows the decisions for competition placings to be decided behind closed doors in a boardroom instead of on the pitch has lost all legitimacy as a sport.
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Soccer, boxing, american football, tennis..or all raquet sports. In fact, I can't think of any sport that doesn't have an element of it's competition membership decided off the field of play.
In our sport, the NCL has been doing it since it started.

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Quote: Leaguefan "I really do find it bizarre that people really do think that regarding what is on the field of play is secondary or tertiary to everything else.'"


Especially so considering no one has given the impression that's what they think.

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Quote: Richie "Soccer, boxing, american football, tennis..or all raquet sports. In fact, I can't think of any sport that doesn't have an element of it's competition membership decided off the field of play.
In our sport, the NCL has been doing it since it started.'"


You mean ' minimum standards ' , but the thing is , our sport then selectively ignores it's own ' minimum standards '

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Quote: Starbug "You mean ' minimum standards ' , but the thing is , our sport then selectively ignores it's own ' minimum standards ''"


Some sports use "minimum standards" and those minimum standards will cover a range of different criteria in different sports. Some decide the ranking of their competitors behind closed doors. The point being, that in all sports there is more to it that what happens on the field of play.

Where and when do you feel our sport selectively ignored which minimum standards?

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Quote: Richie "Soccer, boxing, american football, tennis..or all raquet sports. In fact, I can't think of any sport that doesn't have an element of it's competition membership decided off the field of play.
In our sport, the NCL has been doing it since it started.'"


In American sport, this has always been part of the culture. But so is the unique & fantastic draft system, & the university sport scholarship scheme which underpins it. Unfortunately, no such culture exists in Europe, or ever will.

Tennis? Boxing? As individual sports, no such rules exist. You are simply good enough to reach the level of professionalism, or not. How you do on the court/ring determines your next opponent, not your business plan.

PS Pardon the ignorance, but what is the NCL?

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