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Quote: sanjunien "of coure the crowds wil pick up due to

Widnes's home support [ not away fans ] will increase between 50 and 100 % depending on who they are playing and how well they do

So around 3,500 at present to around 5,500/7,000 , they will average around 8,200 in 2012

That will potentially grow to over 10,000 over 5 years

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Quote: sanjunien " of coure the crowds wil pick up due to
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Widnes do not get 2,000ish and never have. We get 3,000ish. The rest is lazy, and ill thought out crud. When did Widnes ever average 2,000ish?

If Widnes increased 10% ish on only 2,000ish that would put our home support against clubs like London at only 2,200ish. If it did so on 3,000ish, that would be 3,300ish.

So how do you explain this?
Widnes v London: 2002 (5,182) - 2003 (5,009) - 2004 (4,829) - 2005 (5,996)

Total over 4 years: 21,016

Average 5,204

Almost all will be Widnes fans. I would say that’s a lot more than 10%. Based on that, our overall SL averages would show away following at far less than 90% and more like 30%.
Widnes SL average attendance:
2002 - (6510) - 2003 (6511) - 2004 (6153) - 2005 (6794)

Nothing you have written adds up, therefore I can only conclude that you are talking complete sh\te. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: sanjunien "of coure the crowds wil pick up due to

So not much hope for Toulouse then? As by your reckoning they have exhausted local fan base, will only get away fans from Catalan so looking at a SL average of 1,000 maximum? Might as well not bother eh icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: Pepe "eusa_naughty.gif

Widnes do not get 2,000ish and never have. We get 3,000ish. The rest is lazy, and ill thought out crud. When did Widnes ever average 2,000ish?

If Widnes increased 10% ish on only 2,000ish that would put our home support against clubs like London at only 2,200ish. If it did so on 3,000ish, that would be 3,300ish.

So how do you explain this?
Widnes v London: 2002 (5,182) - 2003 (5,009) - 2004 (4,829) - 2005 (5,996)

Total over 4 years: 21,016

Average 5,204

Almost all will be Widnes fans. I would say that’s a lot more than 10%. Based on that, our overall SL averages would show away following at far less than 90% and more like 30%.
Widnes SL average attendance:
2002 - (6510) - 2003 (6511) - 2004 (6153) - 2005 (6794)

Nothing you have written adds up, therefore I can only conclude that you are talking complete sh\te.
I think (and hope) that when Widnes are in Super League in 2012, they will progress like Wire have, big backer, nice stadium, good fanbase, all they need is the players and by all accounts the youth set up is good at Widnes.
I reckon you will progress to average 10k+.

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Quote: jonny the leyther "I think (and hope) that when Widnes are in Super League in 2012, they will progress like Wire have, big backer, nice stadium, good fanbase, all they need is the players and by all accounts the youth set up is good at Widnes.
I reckon you will progress to average 10k+.'"


I was speaking with someone the other day who told me Widnes's stadium is superb.

Is it?

Never been there myself (and probably never will now)

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It would look a lot better if the seats were all black ( I think 3 stands are now) but it is a nice ground, inside and out.

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Quote: jonny the leyther "It would look a lot better if the seats were all black ( I think 3 stands are now) but it is a nice ground, inside and out.'"



Good facilities and stuff there jonny?

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From what i've seen there is, could do with a bit more parking but location stops that and theres a place to park at an amateur ground down the road, apart from that, it's Super Leagyue standard easily.
www.superleague.co.uk/~therflc/u ... height=261
www.worldstadia.com/stadium/engl ... um/399.php
From what i've seen there is, could do with a bit more parking but location stops that and theres a place to park at an amateur ground down the road, apart from that, it's Super Leagyue standard easily.
www.superleague.co.uk/~therflc/u ... height=261
www.worldstadia.com/stadium/engl ... um/399.php


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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: Barry_McKenzie "Good facilities and stuff there jonny?'"

We already ad a great stadium with good infrastructure but, since SOC took over, there has been a great deal of building work within the stadium which takes it’s infrastructure far beyond most clubs currently in Super League.

This includes:
- A state of the art Gym
- Briefing room, with individual player tracking video
- Treatment room
- New locker rooms
- Player ‘chillout area’
- Press area, with online capability

The club is also adding a new TV gantry and interview area in the North Stand. Work is due to start soon on this.

Here’s the old licence bid DVD, which will give you a better idea:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=90qlwag2c1w
Quote: Barry_McKenzie "Good facilities and stuff there jonny?'"

We already ad a great stadium with good infrastructure but, since SOC took over, there has been a great deal of building work within the stadium which takes it’s infrastructure far beyond most clubs currently in Super League.

This includes:
- A state of the art Gym
- Briefing room, with individual player tracking video
- Treatment room
- New locker rooms
- Player ‘chillout area’
- Press area, with online capability

The club is also adding a new TV gantry and interview area in the North Stand. Work is due to start soon on this.

Here’s the old licence bid DVD, which will give you a better idea:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=90qlwag2c1w


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Quote: sanjunien "of coure the crowds wil pick up due to

I must say I am impressed that you have managed to pack so much rubbish into a couple of lines. Virtually every word is inaccurate, ill-considered tosh.

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Quote: prehensile "I must say I am impressed that you have managed to pack so much rubbish into a couple of lines. Virtually every word is inaccurate, ill-considered tosh.'"


thanks for the compliments - does seem strange that so much loyal support isn't apparent in the Championship ! If you support your team then,you support your team,don't you ? To take a football analogy,when the mighty Man City went down to the old third division the supporters remained loyal,the same with little old Norwich City who still managed managed crowds of twenty thousand or last season - that's loyalty ! not 2000 ish when the team are playing at a lower level and 10000 when the going is better - REAL supporters follow their teams through thick & thin - fans of Widnes(and TO) and the like are a fickle bunch.

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Quote: Starbug "Widnes's home support [ not away fans ] will increase between 50 and 100 % depending on who they are playing and how well they do

So around 3,500 at present to around 5,500/7,000 , they will average around 8,200 in 2012

That will potentially grow to over 10,000 over 5 years'"



That's good news Starbug !
I hope you are right,for he clubs' sake - they need the support just as they have needed over the past few years when only the old faithful bothered to turn up !

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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: sanjunien "thanks for the compliments - does seem strange that so much loyal support isn't apparent in the Championship ! If you support your team then,you support your team,don't you ? To take a football analogy,when the mighty Man City went down to the old third division the supporters remained loyal,the same with little old Norwich City who still managed managed crowds of twenty thousand or last season - that's loyalty ! not 2000 ish when the team are playing at a lower level and 10000 when the going is better - REAL supporters follow their teams through thick & thin - fans of Widnes(and TO) and the like are a fickle bunch.'"


But we're still the best supported club in the Championship. icon_smile.gif

This is a Championship whose competition has been so devalued that clubs are losing fans, with some clubs going to the wall. If people don’t get excited about the competition, they won’t turn up to watch the games played within it. Widnes has lost about 800 fans since the licensing era began.

I would suggest that, in order to stop yourself looking ignorant and foolish, you actually try a little research into what you are writing about before delivering your crooked verdict.

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Quote: Pepe "eusa_naughty.gif

Widnes do not get 2,000ish and never have. We get 3,000ish. The rest is lazy, and ill thought out crud. When did Widnes ever average 2,000ish?

If Widnes increased 10% ish on only 2,000ish that would put our home support against clubs like London at only 2,200ish. If it did so on 3,000ish, that would be 3,300ish.

So how do you explain this?
Widnes v London: 2002 (5,182) - 2003 (5,009) - 2004 (4,829) - 2005 (5,996)

Total over 4 years: 21,016

Average 5,204

Almost all will be Widnes fans. I would say that’s a lot more than 10%. Based on that, our overall SL averages would show away following at far less than 90% and more like 30%.
Widnes SL average attendance:
2002 - (6510) - 2003 (6511) - 2004 (6153) - 2005 (6794)

Nothing you have written adds up, therefore I can only conclude that you are talking complete sh\te.

well done Pepe,you've obviously done your homework on Wikipedia - I'm not questioning the size of the crowd just the percentage of these fantastic figures that represent actual Widnes fans ! The London figures are pretty meaningless as lots of neutral southern softies like me would go along to support the London team.I'm sure you would have noticed quite a sizeable southern presence in northern england ?
Please explain to me - where have these loyal Viking fans been in 2009 ² 2010 ? and how much do you think the Widnes home gates will be affected next season before they enter SL ?
I suggest it's you that's talking absolute twaddle and nothing you have stated has explained the missing thousands over the past two seasons - either you are a true fan,or not ?

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Quote: sanjunien "That's good news Starbug !
I hope you are right,for he clubs' sake - they need the support just as they have needed over the past few years when only the old faithful bothered to turn up !'"

That's all any club can hope for in this league. Having a hardcore of over 3,000 is very good in this sport, especially when the club has been in the wilderness for the last 6 years.

If you actually think any club, under the same circumstances would have anything other than their hardcore of fans left, you really are as deluded and thick as you are coming across.

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18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
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Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
       League One 2024-R24
15:00
Hunslet
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Midlands
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
 Sat 28th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
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Matches on TV
Thu 19th Sep
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
SL
20:00
Wigan-Salford
Fri 20th Sep
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Leeds
SL
20:00
Leigh-St.Helens
SL
20:00
Warrington-LondonB
Sat 21st Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Catalans
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
SL 26 Huddersfield0-66Warrington
CH 26 Toulouse38-18Halifax
NRL 28 Melbourne37-10Cronulla
NRL 28 NQL Cowboys28-16Newcastle
Fri 13th Sep
SL 26 Leigh0-24Hull KR
SL 26 St.Helens40-4Castleford
SL 26 Wigan38-0Leeds
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 26 657 336 321 42
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 26 550 483 67 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 26 434 648 -214 18
Castleford 26 415 701 -286 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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