It'll be criminal if McGilvray isn't given a proper chance this season by Nathan Brown. He's got 'future international' written all over him. Lawrence is a decent player, but if we're talking wing positions I'd take McGilvray over him any day of the week.

Agree about Mcgilivary, I just dont see what everyone else does, hope he does come good though. Raleigh for Horne. Really happy with the squad, but i'd be happier with an established full back.

Maybe you're just fishing? But seriously, how do you come to that conclusion? Granted not all of them are world beaters, but they're better than many clubs imports....

Webster - International, GF winner, Tri-nations winner
Clinton - International, GF winner
Vella - SOO, International, Grand finalist
Dobson - AG medal winner, Dream Team last 2 seasons
Mason - SOO, International, GF winner, Clive Churchill winner
Newton - GF winner, Dream Team 2009
Galea - City Origin, GF winner, dreamteam 2009
Lovegrove - Probably our best prop last year despite not having a glittering CV
Fisher - Served us well, been with us since 2006 (apparently he's Scottish too )
Green - The jury is out on him until we've seen how he gets on over here imo.

Most of them aren't exactly what you'd call crap, are they?

Yes they are.

Based on what exactly?

1 Tansey
2 Sharp
3 Berrigan
4 Yeaman
5 T. Briscoe
6 Horne
7 Long

8 Fitzgibbon
9 Houghton
10 O'Meley
11 Tickle
12 Manu
13 Westerman

14 Whiting
15 Lauaki
16 Radford
17 Moa

I'd start the season with that, but would like to see half back cover come in.

We have not enough quality Props and some crazy foo's choice of a halfback partner for Bosc. 2011 will be an exercise in pain.

KR's imports are rubbish but Wigan's imports are quality???? There's a problem when the likes of Carmont, Roberts and Richards (MoS FFS) are considered 'quality'. Finch is a nothing player as well, although he does have a kicking game. Not arguing they are quality in SL terms, but seriously you are way off the mark in absolute terms.

Behave yourself.

Carmont has been consistently one of the better centres in the league the last few years - just have a look at the try stats for the winger playing outside him (be it Richards, Pryce or Ainscough).

Roberts was a bit poor last year, but at the start of this year before his injury was unplayable at times. If he can get that form back then the Wigan backline is only going to get better.

And as for Richards, to call him anything but Quality is lunacy. Admittedly, we've had some dud imports recently, but these 3 are most certainly not. I don't know enough about Finch to comment on him really, but if he does as well as Carmont has for instance then i for one will be happy.

Lawrence is head and shoulders above McGilvaray. He will be an England international within two years Defensively he is a rock. I do not think McGilvaray will make it in Sl as a winger. Any team with a good kicker and a big winger will murder him.

Grix
Lawrence
Cudjoe
Gilmour
Hodgson

Brough
Brown

Griffin
Robinson
Mason
Fa'alongo
ODonnell
faiumu

Crabtree
Lunt
Kirmond
Patrick



That is the Giants team i will expect that we will see.

We seem to be concentrating on youth and English born players.

Ken Davy is trying to make us finacially viable and is not spending the cash like he previously has done.

Only one significant signing for us in the off season. Am looking forward to see what the kids can do this year in covering for injuries..

I dont think we have enough to worry the top 4 teams on a consistent level. Should beat some of them in one off games but that is it.

I think the fact he's only had 1 or 2 good months in 2 years (slated by his own fans before his good spell, struggling to make an impact in the reserves after it) tells you a fair bit.

Richards is a good quality import no doubt. As are Finch/Hoffman/Lima IMO.

Carmont is average and it's the signing of players like him, Phelps and Brett Delaney (journeymen backs) by our top clubs that keeps England rubbish in the outside backs. Before you cite dream team inclusion, Ade Gardner has made that team in the backs in the past and is also very average.

I think that's fair about Roberts, but we're not going to agree on the Carmont issue. If you look at his stats for this season, he's scored more tries, more try assists, made more metres forward, made more tackles and more clean breaks than Matt Gidley (or Michael Shenton for a British comparison), and no-one doubts his quality.

In my eyes, one of the best overseas signings Wigan have had in recent years and a fantastic bit of business to bring him over.

Gidley was absolutely dreadful this year and Shenton played for a Cas that didn't make the play-offs.



He's the sort of "done well for a cheap no mark" signing that is one of the problems with SL though.