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i have seen them both play, and for me murphy wa head and shoulders above johns.
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| Quote: dally messenger "as i was saying to a mate yesterday the nswrl / ARL was the best club competition in the world
sadly lewis didnt perform in this arena. whether it was age or struggling with a much tougher league he didnt excel
johns was the star player in australian RL for at least 5 years, week in, week out over 26 rounds
he played with an average club in newcastle not the broncos like lewis
the mark of johns was how quickly the club fell away when he retired
the broncos won the title after lewis left
had lewis come to manly in 86 my opinion could be different
johns won a grand final with a punctured lung against the club with the best defence in the history of the game and then johns won another grand final with a busted groin against the best attacking team in the game'"
Unfortunately, DM, you show the same bias Lewis confronted from Sydney during his entire career. The man was booed by the Sydney crowd as Australian captain in 1984...
It is only with some hindsight - and the lack of fear now that he is long finished playing - that he began to receive the accolades from Sydney. An immortal (which Johns is still not); 5/8th in the Australian Team of the Century etc.
During Lewis's career, Sydney scribes opined that Sterling was a better player. This analysis was shown to be wrong by the celebratory events during the 2008 Centenary in Australia. Again, a long time after the fact...
Johns - 5 years! Lewis was the dominant player in the world for over a decade.
Lewis was still the best player in the world circa 1988-1989, in the Sydney competition: the heavy rep seasons took their toll on the Broncos in this period (1988 Lions tour + Centenary games; 1989 full Kangaroo Tour to NZ mid-year).
He was heavily injured (numerous things including breaks) during 1990.
And he was at the end of a long career that began in First Grade in 1978.
As for competing with injury, Lewis nearly playing out the RLWC Final of 1988 before nearly 50,000 Kiwis in Auckland, with a broken arm, rates fairly highly. |
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| Quote: Dunbar "So you're telling us that every Australian Rugby League commentator rates Johns as a better player than Wally Lewis... that's quite a statement'"
It is patently wrong too. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "tbf maybe 1 in ten would pick lewis.
many of the current commentators have said johns is the best ever.
many players ex and current all referred to johns as the best ever.
heck when austraia beat GB by 40 points in sydney years ago the english players were queing up for his autograph'"
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| Quote: Sheldon "Johns was voted in the Australian and nsw team of the century at half back, voted the number on player in the last 30 years.
Player of the world cup 1995, player of the series 2001.
Three dally m's, one Clive Churchil, 3 mom at origin, 2 golden boots.
Does anyone know how many times he was the dally m half back of the year?'"
Played in the World Cup 1995 at hooker...
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| Quote: Old Darlin "Unfortunately, DM, you show the same bias Lewis confronted from Sydney during his entire career. The man was booed by the Sydney crowd as Australian captain in 1984...
It is only with some hindsight - and the lack of fear now that he is long finished playing - that he began to receive the accolades from Sydney. An immortal (which Johns is still not); 5/8th in the Australian Team of the Century etc.
During Lewis's career, Sydney scribes opined that Sterling was a better player. This analysis was shown to be wrong by the celebratory events during the 2008 Centenary in Australia. Again, a long time after the fact...
Johns - 5 years! Lewis was the dominant player in the world for over a decade.
Lewis was still the best player in the world circa 1988-1989, in the Sydney competition
the nswrl / ARL was the benchmark club competition in the world
the gap between the nswrl and the brl is the same as the nrl and SL now
lewis achievements in club football in brisbane are lessened because its an easier comp. than the sydney comp.
ive not seen a player dominate the nswrl / arl / nrl like johns did for years
i conceed lewis had a much better origin career, and a better international career.
but the difference is more than made up in johns club achievements.
and im not biased ive given the king credit for his origin and international achievements.
andrew johns carried that newcastle side to against the odds win against manly, the best defensive team in the history of RL at the time, and parra, the best attacking team in the history of Oz RL at the time
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You are just repeating yourself.
Lewis a decade. Johns 5 years.
Lewis wins.
Murphy was a better halfback than Johns. Comparing Lewis with Murphy is the more interesting exercise.
Experts judge footballers at the top level - which is international when you look at the history of the game from 1895-2010.
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| Quote: dally messenger "the best defensive team in the history of RL at the time, and...the best attacking team in the history of Oz RL at the time'"
What does that mean?
Starting to sound like Rex Mossop. |
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| Quote: Old Darlin "You are just repeating yourself.
Lewis a decade. Johns 5 years.
Lewis wins.
Murphy was a better halfback than Johns. Comparing Lewis with Murphy is the more interesting exercise.
Experts judge footballers at the top level - which is international when you look at the history of the game from 1895-2010.'"
lewis played 3 good games a year for 8 years and basically didnt do much the rest.
joey had to be on top of his game for 25 top games a year
if lewis was such a good player why didnt he achieve much in the ARL? |
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So which were the good three games in 1984 for Lewis?
Remember he won 7 out of 10 man of the match awards against the best players.
lol
His victims to repeat:-
* Souths Brisbane, Brisbane GF (Souths had poor players like Meninga, Belcher, Lindner, Phelan & Jackson)
* Souths Sydney (top 5 in 1984)
* Canterbury (Sydney premiers 1984; also winners 1985)
* Parramatta (Sydney runner-up 1984; winners 1981, 1982, 1983)
* Easts Sydney
* NSW
* Great Britain
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| Quote: dally messenger "www.sportsonline.com.au/item.aspx?id
I hope that isn't one of your 6 "experts"...
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| Quote: Old Darlin "So which were the good three games in 1984 for Lewis?
Remember he won 7 out of 10 man of the match awards against the best players.
lol
His victims to repeat
Andrew Johns
Records
# Most ever points scored in a season (279 in 2001).
# Most points ever scored by an individual in premiership history: 2,176
# Most points scored on international debut: 30
# Most points scored in a test match: 32
# Most goals in a test match: 12
Awards
# Dally M Medal (best player in the NRL competition): 3 (1998, 1999 and 2002)
# Provan-Summons Medal (fans' favourite player): 5 (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002)
# Rugby League World Golden Boot Award (best player in the world): (1999 and 2001)
# Clive Churchill Medal (man-of-the-match in grand final): 1 (2001)
# Dally M 'Representative Player of the Year' Award: 1 (2005)
# Player of the Series - Australia v Great Britain: 2001
# Most Valuable Player of the Tournament at the 1995 World Cup in England
# State of Origin man-of-the-match: 4 (Game 2, 1996; Game 1, 2002; Game 2, 2003 and Game 2, 2005)
# Voted #1 in the 'Modern Masters Top 30 Players of the Past 30 Years' poll (Rugby League Week)
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All the players mentioned were great players and it is a matter of opinion who is, or was best.
Comparisons between eras are almost impossible.
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