Minty we seem to be in agreement here on the whole mother teresa/sainthood/expression of grief that hasnt been seen since John Lennon was assassinated type thing.

Can you make me a moderator please?

I want to ban Dally Messenger from these forums forever.

Believe me,its not easy.

As a player I didn`t like Newton,but it is a sad state of affairs when a human being gets to feel so low as to take such drastic steps.
Nobody can deny his dedication on the pitch.

I didn't like him as a player either. I thought that he was a thug. He was also brilliant when he stopped being a thug.

But regardless of either, it is an absolute tragedy – and shock – that he apparently reached a point where he felt that the only option was to end his own life.

I consider that utterly tragic – for him and for his loved ones. And I have made that opinion more than clear, more than once, in the last 24 hours.

On the other hand, I find it ironic that I didn't come here slagging him off after the drugs test result was reveled, but people who did are now slagging me off for daring to actually mention it in the context of his death.

Perhaps they're actually ashamed for their own behaviour some months ago and are now trying to shift the blame onto others?

If you weren't a mod you'd have been banned before now for derailing this thread!

Why bring that onto this thread though?

If you come onto the VT and read this thread first it comes across like you don't think people should be able/allowed to discuss the good points of Terry Newton's career without constant mention of the bad points.

Remembering the good things about people first and foremost doesn't mean someone is rewriting history or making them a martyr, it just means that the person did something good in their life and that is the thing you have thought of first. Concentrating on remembering the good in someone doesn't make them an apologist or a sentimental cretin either.

When we as a family discuss my alcoholic uncle who drank himself to death at 37 that fact doesn't come up. We remember the fun times, the times we were proud, the fact he had flaws doesn't need to be said. We know it. Just like RL fans know the bad/downside to Terry Newton, they are just choosing to concentrate on the good bits about his career in an aptly named thread.

is it safe to open my eyes now?

Well said.

Mintball, why don't you n Rommel do yourselves and us all a favour and start your own thread. This one's for paying some respect, which clearly you're incapable of doing without being unecessarily snide about it. No ones arguing the facts, it's just poor form.

My hightlight - any time Tez pulled on a Wigan shirt. When he went to Bradford I was gutted and I'd have loved to have seen him stick around a few more years. Perhaps on reflection he regretted it a bit too but he went on to do for Bradford exactly what he'd done for us and that says something about the bloke. He always gave his all and sometimes a bit more.

*shuts eyes again*

[iHey! Forget what this thread is about, LOOK AT ME!![/i

Ruined

Agree with every word of this. Looking back at that photo you can understand, if not accept, why he felt the need to gop down the path(s) he did.

Terry putting fear in the hearts of the Aussies & Kiwis like no British player has done since.

We love you Terry, a Wigan Legend..