Autumn 2005 he did alright.

no, numpty.
That was the other poster.
Good, i hope you actually bring them through.
Good for your U20's...
a few of ours actually played first team and thats all i'm bothered about.

Why the insults?

Did I hear someone say Harry Sunderland up against McGuire? He did OK in 2006 too, when he won the treble (with a win at Wembley, something Leeds players aren't too familiar with).

McGuire 4 Grand Final wins, (0 Harry Sunderland), 0 challenge cups.

Pryce 4 Grand Final wins (1 Harry Sunderland), 5 challenge cups (1 Lance Todd).

numpty isn't really an insult, apologies if you take i that way.
The rest of it had no hint of an insult either, just that you accuse me of saying/meaning something that i didn't.

Mcguires won 4 grand finals with leeds.

In those games he's come up with the big game winning plays time and time again.

That's something that eastmond and tomkins may do in the future, but they've yet to do it.

Tomkins and eastmond have been first team regulars for 18 months. Mcguire has been for 7 years winning numerous titles.

Let's not take the p*ss here.

4 grand finals is actually a poor return considering pryce has played in about a 100 grand finals.

Yeah sorry, I forgot to mention Pryce had helped his team to more finals than DM too. Cheers for that.

Of course, 0 challenge cups is a pretty poor return for DM too.

I like DM and would have him in the halves for England. I just hope he doesn't defend like a 7 year old girl again if picked.

He's won titles for leeds.

His kicking games is apparently crap yet some of those short kicks he put in last years grand final won us the game.

Opposition fans are clueless when it comes to mcguire.

Mcguire and pryce have played against ecah other at halfback in 3 grand finals and pryce has been anonnymous and lost all 3. Mcguire has shone.

It seems to be if you don't rate him as the best half back in the league then you must think he's .

I think most fans rate him highly, just a big difference between that and claiming he's best half back in league.

McGuire is on the same level as Tomkins, Eastmond, Briers and Pryce IMO. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

Tomkins only steps off his left with any pace and the Aussies will know this. Having said that what a step it is, and he also has a drill of a fend to go with it and alot of pace.

Eastmod is freakishly strong and very dangerous close to the line, ducking between tacklers seems to be very effective. His passing and kicking games seem to be developing but not on the same level as someone like Briers.

Pryce can be devestating but also likes to go hiding when it gets tough IMO. has the advantage of being as big as some forwards.

Briers is a brilliant kicker and passer, but is not as athletically gifted as the others mentioned.

McGuire can step both ways, has quite alot of pace, has the knack of scoring tries and is the best support player out of the lot. It's a tough call for England selection, but I'd be tempted to go Eastmond 7, McGuire 6 and Tomkins at 1.

If you had to choose between Tomkins and McGuire for England I'd pick Tomkins, because he actually looked likehe meant it against the Aussies at the end of last year. He may pull at shirts in D but I don't care he gets the job done.

I don't know why, but McGuire just has one of those faces i just want to punch repeatedly. Very good half back though, always comes up with the goods when everything is on the line.

Well whoever said it was wrong. He was on the wing that night. Noble knew he would never make a decent stand off which is why he played him on the wing, giving him freedom to make a few runs from dummy half when the Bulls were on the front foot. The tactic won him the Harry Sunderland. A tactic Noble also used well with him internationally.

Pryce has, on the other hand, faced McGuire at stand off the last three Grand Finals. In those games Pryce implemented half of Nobles master plan by drifting out of the games, he just forgot to drift back in.

To the people suggesting Tomkins at 1 .... Widdup (assuming available) should be Full Back ... Tomkins one of the Half Backs. Not sure if Eastmond isn't a touch too 'brittle' at this stage for serious Internationals although I have no doubt his time will come.

That is all.