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Quote: gutterfax "No debts...
did I mention no debts, '"


And how did that come about? Oh yes, but London Broncos had the odd debt or 2... quote from the BBC "The club went into liquidation with debts of around £3m."

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Quote: tristram "And how did that come about? Oh yes, but London Broncos had the odd debt or 2... quote from the BBC "The club went into liquidation with debts of around £3m."'"


The club owed 2 people.
The Inland Revenue and David Hughes. David Hughes offered to swallow his debt if the IR let the Broncos pay back the 1.5 million over a period of time. The IR refused, the club folded and the rest is history.......
fail to see you bringing this up has any relevance to the thoery that Harlequins Rugby League are not a thriving club. They have no debts...at all. No overdraft, no loans...just a very patient chairman.
Are you saying it's not fair that a business was allowed to fold, reinvent itself and not have to pay what it owed? If so, I would suggest you take that up with the Inland Revenue....they were offered payment but declined and the other SL chairmen who voted for the broncos to stay. I am sure they had their reasons (1.2 million of them)icon_wink.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "What gets me is that although Crusaders are packed with Australians, they will need time to develop "local" talent. London took 15 years....but this year we fielded an all GB team with 9 academy produced lads......Rome wasn't built in a day. "Other teams" in superleague, with 120+ years of history are signing Australian talent and yet Crusaders who are in their infancy are an easy target for some on here.

Congratulations Crusaders and your fans. Long may it continue
They dont have time to develop. The franchise decision is made next year, every team has had the same time to meet that deadline, the same three year period. It doesnt matter if you joined the RFL 115 years ago or last night, if you dont have the development and players in place then you shouldnt get the franchise.

Celtic crusaders were not ready for a franchise, crusaders were then given one outside the rules. They havnt got their own players now and Welsh rugby players are not being developed in Super league, rather in the championship 1. They deserve criticism for this as do other clubs who rely on overseas players to lesser extent. Put Celtic back in the championship until they are ready, Catalans had enough domestic players when they were given entry to superleague, so should everyone else under this ridiculous system.

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Quote: Hopie "They dont have time to develop. The franchise decision is made next year, every team has had the same time to meet that deadline, the same three year period. It doesnt matter if you joined the RFL 115 years ago or last night, if you dont have the development and players in place then you shouldnt get the franchise.

Celtic crusaders were not ready for a franchise, crusaders were then given one outside the rules. They havnt got their own players now and Welsh rugby players are not being developed in Super league, rather in the championship 1. They deserve criticism for this as do other clubs who rely on overseas players to lesser extent. Put Celtic back in the championship until they are ready, Catalans had enough domestic players when they were given entry to superleague, so should everyone else under this ridiculous system.'"


eusa_clap.gif Most other teams in superleague have signed domestic players for next season but to my knowledge Crusaders haven't even tried. It looks like they have no intnetion to try and reduce the number of overseas players they have. They are allowed far more overseas players than heartland clubs and with everyone else having to reduce their overseas numbers by 1 next season it could be an even more unlevel playing field next season!

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Spongolium "I asked for first team players, not players that have played 20 minutes off the bench in a call up. God you heartlands teams love doing that. Ah yes, Johnny from down the road played the last 10 minutes of game 2 in the season. Bringing through the youngsters see, it's a bit of a farce really.

Welsh Players, playing in the crusaders this season.
Elliot Kear - played early in the season, looks to be a lock next year.
Ben Flower - played in a number of games this year
Gareth Thomas - played most of the season before injury
Lloyd White - first call up in injury to half backs
Luke Dyer - played all season
Jordan James - played all season
Anthony Blackwood - Now transferred
Rhys Hanbury - Will be Qualified as welsh

English Players playing for the crusaders this season.
Tommy Lee - played in every game he was able too
Jamie Thackary - same as above
Peter Lupton - played in every game this year

The crusaders, for what everyone says, are not full of aussies. Yes we have a large majority of australian players, because we need them. The scorpions are 99% welsh, and made the play-offs this year. Couple of them look very promising for up and coming years.

We have yet to name any signings, but it looks like stuart reardon is on his way.

and fan of st helens. Are you blind?'"


2 of the cas players listed have over 150 appearances (huby and shenton)
Westerman has played more than a 100 games.
Owen who wasnt playing last night has made 72 appearances after missing most of the seasons through injury.
thompson has played 15 games this year after playing twice last year.
walker played 7 games this year (debut season)
arundel played 8 after one game before this season.
milner played 4 games this year after making his debut in the back end of the season.
Holmes played 4 games this season playing in castlefords strongest position in his debut season.
massey played 2 games but has missed most of the season through injury.
davies played 1 game but again missed a big chunk of the season through injury and was behind holmes in the pecking order.

so to summarise shenton, huby and owen played in every game they were fit to play in.
thomspon played in more than 50% of the games this season
arundel and walker played in about 25% of the games this season.
milner played in 3 of the 6 games since making his debut,
holmes played 4 games in a position we aready have snitch, jones, widders, westerman, davies, clayton and ferres to play in.

Dyer and hanbury arent welsh by the way.

As i said on another thread i have nothing against crusaders just adressing the points you have made in this post.

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Quote: who needs flankers? "
where do you want them to sign these welsh players from? you may not have noticed but there isnt a whole heap of them in SL

the welsh youth sides are doing fantastic though, plenty of potential there, but if they dont have a club where are they going to play?

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To Spongolium!! i am a Wakefield supporter through thick and thin and was actually wanting Cas in the play offs! Yes CAS! There isnt a level playing field anymore in super league and until there is it will be the same corrupt bag of ***** it has been for years. Wake up and smell the coffee and just admit the team you support are a manufactured and paid for team created by Red Hall! you blinkered fool !!!!

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Quote: Spongolium "I asked for first team players, '"



Compare the two teams that played on saturday.

Castleford Tigers

McGoldrick - Born Australia
Dixon - Born England (Hull)
Shenton - Born England (Castleford)
Ferres - Born England (Castleford)
Wainwright - Born England (Leeds)
Widders - Born Australia
ChaseBorn - New Zealand
Sargent - Born Australia
Hudson - Born England (Leeds)
Higgins - Born England (Doncaster)
Jones - Born England (Wigan)
Snitch - Born England (Hull)
Westerman - Born England (Castleford)
Huby - Born England (Castleford)
Milner - Born England (Castleford)
Walker - Born England (Leeds?)
Arundel - Born England (Castleford)

Crusaders

Schifcofske- Born Australia
Dyer - Born Australia
Martin - Born Australia
Mellars - Born New Zealand
Youngquest - Born Australia
Sammut - Born Australia
Hanbury - Born Australia
O'Hara - Born Australia
Withers - Born Australia
Bryant - Born Australia
Hauraki - Born New Zealand
Chan - Born Australia
Lupton - Born England
Lee - Born England
James - Born England
Peek - Born Australia
Winternstein - Born Australia

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Id just like to ask how anybody can honestly call this an achievment...

You could create a team from say Hartlepool, bring in 17 foreign players and when they get below mid table call it an amazing achievment icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Noble has achieved, the whole club has not and will not until it produces its own players. with the background in rugby the country has it should be producing platers instead of importing every player it has.

The old give it time argument is a bit of a crappy cop out also, they have been playing rugby of all forms in wales as long as most SL clubs have existed.

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Quote: marshman "Compare the two teams that played on saturday.

Castleford Tigers

McGoldrick - Born Australia
Dixon - Born England (Hull)
Shenton - Born England (Castleford)
Ferres - Born England (Castleford)
Wainwright - Born England (Leeds)
Widders - Born Australia
ChaseBorn - New Zealand
Sargent - Born Australia
Hudson - Born England (Leeds)
Higgins - Born England (Doncaster)
Jones - Born England (Wigan)
Snitch - Born England (Hull)
Westerman - Born England (Castleford)
Huby - Born England (Castleford)
Milner - Born England (Castleford)
Walker - Born England (Leeds?)
Arundel - Born England (Castleford)

Crusaders

Schifcofske- Born Australia
Dyer - Born Australia
Martin - Born Australia
Mellars - Born New Zealand
Youngquest - Born Australia
Sammut - Born Australia
Hanbury - Born Australia
O'Hara - Born Australia
Withers - Born Australia
Bryant - Born Australia
Hauraki - Born New Zealand
Chan - Born Australia
Lupton - Born England
Lee - Born England
James - Born England
Peek - Born Australia
Winternstein - Born Australia'"



What i can see here is Crusaders are a team full of 3rd rate aussies who finished 8th and Castleford are a team full of 3rd rate Englishman who finished 9th.What's the problem eusa_whistle.gif

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Quote: Spongolium "You do realise that the crusaders have not been around forever right? You must know that they are a new team that were created on my doorstep. My alligence changed when a welsh team was created.'"


you couldnt make this amount of crap up. Changing allegiance? Never heard anything like it.

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Quote: gutterfax "The club owed 2 people.
The Inland Revenue and David Hughes. David Hughes offered to swallow his debt if the IR let the Broncos pay back the 1.5 million over a period of time. The IR refused, the club folded and the rest is history.......
fail to see you bringing this up has any relevance to the thoery that Harlequins Rugby League are not a thriving club. They have no debts...at all. No overdraft, no loans...just a very patient chairman.
Are you saying it's not fair that a business was allowed to fold, reinvent itself and not have to pay what it owed? If so, I would suggest you take that up with the Inland Revenue....they were offered payment but declined and the other SL chairmen who voted for the broncos to stay. I am sure they had their reasons (1.2 million of them)


I never said that they weren't a 'thriving' club. I was just putting straight the (perfectly legal) way said 'debt free' status was attained. Here's what the RFL had to say about it at the time...

"While London are undoubtedly relieved to have been saved, it cannot be allowed to mask the serious issue raised,"...

I expect the RFL to review its rules and make recommendations."

Perhaps we can learn something from other sports, particularly as regards the sanctions and penalties that may be available to ensure that defaulting clubs are not seen to have gained a competitive advantage."

Also, from the BBC...

"The Broncos had to rely on a narrow vote at Friday's emergency meeting of Super League clubs to allow them to play on"

So, whilst I wish the club every success going forward, I believe that one shouldn't make too much of their debt free status as I doubt many other clubs would've been treated with such leniency.

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Quote: teds wallet moth "To Spongolium!! i am a Wakefield supporter through thick and thin and was actually wanting Cas in the play offs! Yes CAS! There isnt a level playing field anymore in super league and until there is it will be the same corrupt bag of ***** it has been for years. Wake up and smell the coffee and just admit the team you support are a manufactured and paid for team created by Red Hall! you blinkered fool !!!!'"


Have Crusaders broken any rules, any rules whatsoever?!

Christ, the impatience of the typical Rugby League fan is shocking, Crusaders have been in Wrexham for ONE SEASON, make the top 8 and are being slated for having too many Aussies and the like? Give it time!

At the end of the day, this will only help, excellent chance for the marketing to sell a top 8 RL team.

And so much for the great Wakey-Cas rivalry...

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "The old give it time argument is a bit of a crappy cop out also, they have been playing rugby of all forms in wales as long as most SL clubs have existed.'"


Not really, full time pro RL has not existed in Wales for a while, only at part time level in the RL Conference.

And you know the difference between the RLC and Super League.

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SL 20 LondonB12-10Catalans
WSL2024 10 FeatherstoneW6-68LeedsW
WSL2024 10 BarrowW6-64St.HelensW
WSL2024 10 Wire W0-61York V
WSL2024 10 WiganW70-0Hudds W
L1 18 Keighley72-12Newcastle
L1 18 Oldham32-0Midlands
L1 18 Rochdale46-32Cornwall
L1 18 Workington24-28Crusaders
CH 20 Barrow24-24Bradford
CH 20 Dewsbury16-42Wakefield
CH 20 Featherstone24-16Batley
CH 20 Halifax38-18York
CH 20 Sheffield22-20Doncaster
CH 20 Whitehaven12-24Widnes
NRL 22 Penrith22-14Newcastle
NRL 22 Canterbury22-18Canberra
Sat 3rd Aug
SL 20 Hull FC6-46St.Helens
SL 20 Salford22-16Leeds
CH 20 Swinton4-48Toulouse
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Salford 20 377 382 -5 26
St.Helens 20 501 262 239 24
Catalans 20 376 286 90 24
 
Leeds 20 371 364 7 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 20 274 612 -338 6
LondonB 20 210 735 -525 4
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Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 18 626 222 404 34
Sheffield 18 510 303 207 26
Toulouse 17 516 224 292 25
Widnes 18 434 319 115 23
Bradford 18 421 321 100 22
Featherstone 18 464 375 89 18
 
Doncaster 18 338 432 -94 17
York 19 446 383 63 16
Batley 18 300 390 -90 16
Halifax 18 356 477 -121 14
Barrow 17 279 482 -203 13
Swinton 18 346 470 -124 12
Whitehaven 18 348 580 -232 12
Dewsbury 19 240 602 -362 2
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