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Quote: BigRob "Championship/NL1 average crowds as I say the licensing system will have had an effect but also in 2009 the recession started to hit and both Salford (2nd highest crowd) and Celtic (5th highest) were taken into the expanded SL and replaced by Toulouse and Doncaster.

If SL were still at 12 teams the average Championship crowd probably wouldn't be much lower than before licensing, especially when taking into account the recession.'"



A lot of inflated attendances that year as certain clubs had to impress

At celtic when we visted they had 2 coach loads of german tourists in there on a freebie , not to mention an awful lot of service personnel , and a whole load of people who had been to watch the 2 previous matches , then left half way through our game

As for salford they had the 6,500 attendance against Swinton , an attendance they have not been able to match in SL since

Toulouse was supposed to make the Championship ' sexy ' , but that hasn't happened either

Leigh were supposed to get more fans because we have a shiny new stadium , that hasn't happened either

Shame really , the actual competition is very tight , but not enough seem to be too bothered

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Not forgetting the current economic climate- thats another reason to spread the game out of the North, no one has any money

Have a look at Skolars crowds they are sexy

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Quote: Richie "OK, I don't understand. We supposedly are The Greatest Game. We are supposedly a fantastic sport to watch. We supposedly have great community spirit between our teams and their local communities.

But "fans" don't go watch their local team play this great sport simply because they don't like the system that moves clubs between leagues?
How about just being entertained by the spectacle of the sport?'"



I'll reply with this post from waterfields finest on the Leigh board discussing the same subject at the moment

Quote: Richie "Agree with this general feeling. The game is dying slowly, though, not quickly.

I think Leigh will struggle to maintain four figure crowds by 2014, such is the lack of interest in a game and league with nowhere to go.

Last night, looking about me in the West Stand, I was one of the youngest members of the crowd I could see. There were very few people below the age of 30. The fan base at this level is literally dying off.

I've always maintained that monies should be distributed on a sliding scale according to where you finish in the league - whatever division.

It was never P&R that was the problem, just the utter financial cliff edge that was created between the leagues. If that cliff edge was smoothed out to just a financial steep hill then P&R would be the natural safety net that it always was and both leagues would benefit from the reinstatement of on-field interest (and therefore excitement) rather than us debating the results of the tri-annual powerpoint presentation competition.'"


I'd like to see the results of a survey on the actuall ages of the fan bases outside SL ?

I remember when Huddersfield came down in 2001 , we played them at the McAlpine [ as was ] I remarked at the time that there were very few children in the home crowd , and that we quite possibly outnumbered them

This is one of the reasons I dont want leigh to get a franchise , a potential 3 year holiday at the bottom of SL would kill a whole generation of support , were as 1 year in normal P and R would not

but hey ho , we have what we have , and what will be will be

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Quote: Starbug "I'll reply with this post from waterfields finest on the Leigh board discussing the same subject at the moment

I'd like to see the results of a survey on the actuall ages of the fan bases outside SL ?

I remember when Huddersfield came down in 2001 , we played them at the McAlpine [ as was ] I remarked at the time that there were very few children in the home crowd , and that we quite possibly outnumbered them

This is one of the reasons I dont want leigh to get a franchise , a potential 3 year holiday at the bottom of SL would kill a whole generation of support , were as 1 year in normal P and R would not

but hey ho , we have what we have , and what will be will be'"


The people of Leigh (not singling them out) don't seem interested in the spectacle of the sport now, would they really be any more interested just because the opposing teams changed?

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Quote: Richie "The people of Leigh (not singling them out) don't seem interested in the spectacle of the sport now, would they really be any more interested just because the opposing teams changed?'"



Probably not

Especially if they are Hunslet , York or Blackpool

Saints , Wigan and Wire might get them going a bit more

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Quote: Richie "The people of Leigh (not singling them out) don't seem interested in the spectacle of the sport now, would they really be any more interested just because the opposing teams changed?'"



Another one from the Leigh board , this time from ' Leyth '

Quote: Richie "My disappointment in the loss last night lasted all of 5 minutes. It doesn't even compare to how I felt when we lost play off games under Paul Terzis and Tony Benson.
One of my greatest Leigh memories is winning on the last day of the season at Warrington, under Billy Benyon, to secure our top flight status.
Under the current system feelings like that can't be reproduced, and when fans lose the ability to feel passionate about their team, its just another nail in the coffin of lower tier RL '"



I attended NL 1 GF,s as a neutral when promotion was at stake , I saw fans crying both in joy and dissapointement , I witnessed none of that last year , and doubt I will this year

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Quote: Starbug "Probably not

Especially if they are Hunslet , York or Blackpool

Saints , Wigan and Wire might get them going a bit more'"


Why? Would they really be more entertained watching their team getting spanked by Bradford than seeing a tight contest with Sheffield?

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Quote: Richie "Why? Would they really be more entertained watching their team getting spanked by Bradford than seeing a tight contest with Sheffield?'"



Probably not , but those wins against London and Wakey , and Ganson robbing us of a point against Hull could possibly make up for it

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Quote: Starbug "Probably not , but those wins against London and Wakey , and Ganson robbing us of a point against Hull could possibly make up for it'"



I still don't get it Starbug. From the sounds of things, everything that has been done to open up the game and make it a more appealing spectacle is irrelevant, and all fans are bothered about is who the opposition are?

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Quote: Richie "I still don't get it Starbug. From the sounds of things, everything that has been done to open up the game and make it a more appealing spectacle is irrelevant, and all fans are bothered about is who the opposition are?'"


You dont get it do you , it is sport , emotion , tribal controlled violence

Why do we like,love,need sport ?

Basically to stop us killing each other

An appealling spectacle icon_lol.gif

You are right , you really dont get ' it '

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Quote: Starbug "You dont get it do you , it is sport , emotion , tribal controlled violence

Why do we like,love,need sport ?

Basically to stop us killing each other

An appealling spectacle
So why rugby league then? I understand the POV even if I don't agree with it. But why is it rugby league the fans do (or don't....how many prefer Leigh RMI or whatever they're called nowadays) watch? If it's just this "sport , emotion , tribal controlled violence" then it could as easily by soccer, RU, ice hockey or anything.

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Quote: Starbug "I'll reply with this post from waterfields finest on the Leigh board discussing the same subject at the moment

I'd like to see the results of a survey on the actuall ages of the fan bases outside SL ?

I remember when Huddersfield came down in 2001 , we played them at the McAlpine [ as was ] I remarked at the time that there were very few children in the home crowd , and that we quite possibly outnumbered them

This is one of the reasons I dont want leigh to get a franchise , a potential 3 year holiday at the bottom of SL would kill a whole generation of support , were as 1 year in normal P and R would not

but hey ho , we have what we have , and what will be will be'"


I brought this point up on ages on your board in pre season when I was having my 'Leigh board' holiday and was laughed out of the place.
Dont start pretending its a fair comment now.

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Quote: Leaguefan "Any game where one of the top clubs announces a deficit 10 times the amount that drove another club to the wall and dosn't bat an eyelid is on a downward spiral.

But hey it'll all turn out right in the end.

Don't forget another sport has a new sponsor , is on another subsciption channel, and is getting bucket loads of media intest except probably from the previous broadcaster ( NRL anyone?)

If a broadcaster decides it dosn't want to pay the same amount for a product but less for more ( M& S were/are renowned for doing that) then the game will survive but no way in its' current form.

The next 12-18 months are crucial to the state of professional RL in this country.

As things stand at the moment I am not sure that the foundations are that strong and the edifice could come tumbling down.

We shall see.'"


Will putting in Keighley Cougars solve this problem?

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Quote: Richie "So why rugby league then? I understand the POV even if I don't agree with it. But why is it rugby league the fans do (or don't....how many prefer Leigh RMI or whatever they're called nowadays) watch? If it's just this "sport , emotion , tribal controlled violence" then it could as easily by soccer, RU, ice hockey or anything.'"

Plenty do prefer football, they might not necessarily watch Leigh Genesis but the pubs are packed for football games on the box, and there are thousands in Leigh who have season tickets at Bolton, Wigan, Man Utd & Man City. I don't think there would be too many Bolton or Latics fans had franchising been brought in to football and left them consigned to the lower leagues for all eternity in the way that RL clubs are perceived to be.

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Quote: Leyther_Matt "Plenty do prefer football, they might not necessarily watch Leigh Genesis but the pubs are packed for football games on the box, and there are thousands in Leigh who have season tickets at Bolton, Wigan, Man Utd & Man City. I don't think there would be too many Bolton or Latics fans had franchising been brought in to football and left them consigned to the lower leagues for all eternity in the way that RL clubs are perceived to be.'"


Well we know football fans don't go to watch the spectacle of the game itself, because it's always poor. Never has anything been as incorrectly named as "The Beautiful Game" icon_wink.gif

Why is it franchising is always seen as "consigning to the lower leagues for all eternity" which it never has been.
It's simply a way of requiring more than a single set of results from a single team to decide the league a club play in.

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