I will add some thoughts Dally - I'm not here just to criticise but I emphasise again that your posts are about how to play RL not tactics

Having said that, you have raised the point of deliberately kicking the ball out over the dead in goal line in order to nullify the attacking full backs and set a line of the 20m to defend

This, in my opinion, is a blight on the spectacle of our game and will lead to a rule change soon I believe

Just as the bomb stifled play in the 80's and the rule about diffusing the bomb stopped teams being trapped for set after set in their in goal, I think we will soon see a scrum back to the point of the kick if the ball is kicked dead from outside the 20m area

I would welcome this as it would encourage more accurate kicking - and, as you say, allow attacking full backs like Haynes and Slater be more dangerous (not good for England though!!)

no not kicking into touch, kicking it dead, even on the full

look wayne bennett is the one who first used the tactic so im going with him over you, sorry

i think its a smart tactic myself.

some people have talked about rule changes to stop it.

why play to the opposition strength

jamie soward did it a few times against hayne, and we used it again against another side

Indeed, this is what is meant by tactics... changing your play based on the strength of the opposition

If you see a strong kick return game in the opposition then the long kick dead so you can set your defence on the 20m is the right way forward

If you see a weakness in the kick return, better to chase well, keep the opposition penned into their own 5/10m and tire their forwards out

As a tactic, it is smart - as a spectacle for the fans, not so much

As I say, I would favour a rule change to a scrum back from the point of the kick (but not till after the 4 Nations!)

Haven't quins been doing this for years? Im not taking the p1$$ dally but this is stuff any ten year old knows.
Bloody boring, tap on the 30 it should be.
I also think any ball diffused ingoal should be a tap. Im sick of seeing so many tries coming from the same kicks, you could still score from them but your kicking would have to be much better

oh when we did we kicked the bull dead on the full

indeed the kick passed the dead ball line by 10 m.

when you kick it along the ground the defence might stop it

with a punt over there heads which doesnt land in the field of play they have no chance

Interesting how Roy Masters agrees with me and not dickless...

www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -skfd.html Prescient or what?

www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -skfd.html Prescient or what?

Did you notice the word 'return'? No? Didn't think so.
The rest of the article backs up absolutely everything i've said before and that's just the NRL, not discounting SL.
Now go and behave

Did he? Are you sure? Or do you mean "He's the first person I'm aware of that used this idea"? Not the same thing at all, and I'm damn sure I've seen it often enough in the past.

You've got a DIY Teach Yourself RL book there haven't you Dally? Problem is, most of us don't actually need the book, have no need to try and make ourselves look good by quoting from such a volume, and aren't getting laughed at for stating the blindingly obvious.

Perhaps you should have titled this thread 'RL 101"

hey watching the nrl you pick these things up.

its why our coaches use SL as a training run.

i asked people to contribute their knowledge

i got a donught back

re. kicking the ball dead, bennetts tactic was to kick the ball out on the full.

It depends on your field position, if you use that tactic the chances are you're playmakers think you're too far out for an attacking play including a dg. It's especially useful when you've got a limited team like Quins, because deliberately kicking it dead and making them return from the 20 against a set defence is better than trying something clever and giving them either a broken field to return to or a scrum where half your better defenders are out of the line when the ball comes out. Quins used this tactic quite a lot last season with some good results, although there was some whiney cretin sat behind me at the time who couldn't understand that it wasn't a mistake, an annoyance not helped by his friends who appeared to agree with his startling lack of understanding, I sometimes felt like turning round, belting him and saying "look you whiney cretin, we're a rubbish side and this is a good tactic for us to negate the superior attacking capability of our opponents". We haven't done it so much this year, instead we've done weaker kicks and often had the ball returned to us on the 40 or even halfway, there's times when I'd have killed for one of our non-organisers to kick the ball dead and at least take the return from the 20.

Yes, Tony Rea thought it was a good tactic and used it a lot. I only wish we'd been doing it more this season, especially as I moved seats and the whiney cretin doesn't sit behind me any longer.