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Quote: Lefty "Home fans are important. Away fans are not. People need to realise this.'"



All fans are important , people need to realise this

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TV Money talks really big in sport these days

Sky tells football clubs what day and time they can play and Superleague is right behind them for their live TV games.

Sky also features a Thursday night Championship game and if your fixture is chosen, you play on that night.

The BBC has also told Hull when they can play Leeds in the Cup. Saturday afternoon at 2.30.

So.............if the inclusion of another French team means serious extra TV money, I suspect it will happen as money talks.

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Quote: Lefty "Toulouse should be let in. It's time we made some difficult decisions in our game and forget about these failing towns in Yorkshire. Castleford and Wakefield could both go and nobody else would miss them. '"


Thats got to be one of the most stupid posts I've ever read on here!

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Now The Wire. [quote="Rogues Gallery":xjc47q2r]Wire - the enigma. They could finish top or eighth, who knows.[/quote:xjc47q2r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7749.jpg



Quote: Starbug "All fans are important , people need to realise this'"


When people talk about Crusaders, Quins and Catalan they bemoan the lack of away fans. It is up to the clubs to fill their stadia with fans from within not rely on travelling support.

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Now The Wire. [quote="Rogues Gallery":xjc47q2r]Wire - the enigma. They could finish top or eighth, who knows.[/quote:xjc47q2r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7749.jpg



Quote: The Clan "Thats got to be one of the most stupid posts I've ever read on here!'"


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Exactly.
At wire from three home games I think we're averaging about 11,500 and thats with playing Quins and Crusaders.
I reckon you'd get more if the south stand was bigger

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Quote: Salty "I don't think 3 French teams are enough to form their own 'super league'. They would have to play each other about 13 times each.'"

They manage perfectly well in the SPL icon_wink.gif
Seriously though, that must be the main aim... to have a professional French league, whether we'll see it within the next millenium though is another question...

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[quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]TBF he's a good lad Snowy. A wind up merchant but a good lad. :lol:[/quote] [quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]That sig snowy is Ssooooooooooo old !!![/quote] OOpps - nowt changes !! [b]Widnes 8 Leigh 10 LOL!!! Leigh 23 Widnes 16 LOL!! Leigh 30 Widnes 16 LOL!! Widnes 18 Leigh 38 Oh Dear !! Leigh 54 Widnes 16 FFS!!! Leigh 50 Widnes 18 We gave them 3 tries !!! Widnes 18 Leigh 24 Still no points in the 2nd half!! Good luck Widnes. See you in 2015 !![/b]:8043.jpg



Quote: Lefty "When people talk about Crusaders, Quins and Catalan they bemoan the lack of away fans. It is up to the clubs to fill their stadia with fans from within not rely on travelling support.'"


Can't you tell that there is a 'feel good' factor with Lefty here.

All fans are important and you cannot beat a good following of away fans in any particular sport.

Warrington is a big Town, and should be averaging at Least 12000 in SL, but warrington had a good side in the 80's and was still a 'big town' getting very poor attendances. I recall games against Leigh, Saints, Wigan and Widnes packing the Railway end at Wilderspool. You are happy for this to cease ?

Rugby League is losing 'honesty' and is being raped and pilaged by TV. SL is on a big downward spiral at the moment. Lack of P&R is killing the sport, and 12 more months of Salford, London and the Crusaders getting pasted week in and week out will not help the sport one bit. SL should be 10 clubs, with the more 'honest' divisions below it !

Put Warrington in the French elite league I say. Lefty doesn't want the Derbys anymore against inferior sides from small Towns (especially the ones with better stadia !). I am sure that you can afford a fornightly trip on the odd plane to see your beloved side.

Living in Warrington and seeing your contribution to this thread so far, I am sure my neighbours (and true wolves fans) would shake their head at almost everything you have said.

Like it or lump it, RL is a Northern sport and unfortunately light years behind its National rival. With all these silly changes to rules, leagues etc etc, it will be for years to come ! icon_sad.gif

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Snowy "Rugby League is losing 'honesty' and is being raped and pilaged by TV. SL is on a big downward spiral at the moment. Lack of P&R is killing the sport, and 12 more months of Salford, London and the Crusaders getting pasted week in and week out will not help the sport one bit.'"
Yeah, that's clearly the case. icon_biggrin.gifOH:

Seriously, had you been drinking when you wrote that post? Thank God people like you have no influence in our game, and are ignored and laughed at by everyone.

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Quote: Snowy "Can't you tell that there is a 'feel good' factor with Lefty here.

All fans are important and you cannot beat a good following of away fans in any particular sport.

Warrington is a big Town, and should be averaging at Least 12000 in SL, but warrington had a good side in the 80's and was still a 'big town' getting very poor attendances. I recall games against Leigh, Saints, Wigan and Widnes packing the Railway end at Wilderspool. You are happy for this to cease ?

Rugby League is losing 'honesty' and is being raped and pilaged by TV. SL is on a big downward spiral at the moment. Lack of P&R is killing the sport, and 12 more months of Salford, London and the Crusaders getting pasted week in and week out will not help the sport one bit. SL should be 10 clubs, with the more 'honest' divisions below it !

Put Warrington in the French elite league I say. Lefty doesn't want the Derbys anymore against inferior sides from small Towns (especially the ones with better stadia !). I am sure that you can afford a fornightly trip on the odd plane to see your beloved side.

Living in Warrington and seeing your contribution to this thread so far, I am sure my neighbours (and true wolves fans) would shake their head at almost everything you have said.

Like it or lump it, RL is a Northern sport and unfortunately light years behind its National rival. With all these silly changes to rules, leagues etc etc, it will be for years to come ! icon_lol.gif

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Obviously what I said about Castleford and Wakefield was a little tongue in cheek. However I am deadly serious about away fans. Why in Rugby League we feel that some clubs owe us an away support is ludicrous.

Clubs have a responsibility to increase their crowds within the town they are situated, bemoaning teams awarded a franchise based on a crap away following is silly.

I am aware that the average attendance at Warrington should be much higher and a lot of work is being done to address that, currently we are seeing signs of that. Much of the increase can be accredited to the Challenge Cup victory however the work that goes on behind the scenes at Warrington is not to be underestimated.

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I accept the argument that home clubs shouldn't rely on away fans for attendances to a degree, but your attitude to away fans is quite frankly ridiculous. there are few things better than being at a game where there is a decent away following to keep the atmosphere bubbling away. watching games against les catalans (whilst i accept their inclusion) is often very subdued as there is no-one for the fans to bounce off of. If we move to a league with 3 french clubs then more and more games will become devoid of any significant atmosphere imo and long term this needs consideration.
In your world lefty we might as well move to playing behind closed doors with it all on pay per view TV

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Quote: Schunter "I accept the argument that home clubs shouldn't rely on away fans for attendances to a degree, but your attitude to away fans is quite frankly ridiculous. there are few things better than being at a game where there is a decent away following to keep the atmosphere bubbling away. watching games against les catalans (whilst i accept their inclusion) is often very subdued as there is no-one for the fans to bounce off of. If we move to a league with 3 french clubs then more and more games will become devoid of any significant atmosphere imo and long term this needs consideration.
In your world lefty we might as well move to playing behind closed doors with it all on pay per view TV'"



Exactly my point , hence my argument that away support must be encouraged , nowhere have I said it should be a major point for future licencing , but it is vitally important for the future growth of the sport

I have no doubt that SKy prefer to have matches from the HJ stadium [ where the large standing area's for both home and away fans help to create a good atmosphere ] than at larger all seated stadia quarter filled with a quiet home support and little away following

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Quote: Starbug "All fans are important , people need to realise this'"


last time I looked away fans paid the same as hoem fans to get in. A customer is a customer!

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: JB Down Under "last time I looked away fans paid the same as hoem fans to get in. A customer is a customer!'"


Personally , I'd let them in cheaper , or at least contribute to their travel costs

The building of a good atmosphere at sporting events cannot be underestimated , especially in the long term benifits of building a good home support base

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