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| Quote: pyeman "Dont pitts, brough, snitch, bibb, george, morton and ferguson count as players that have played for the senior side this season?'"
considering George came from Hudds, and Pitts is now at Leeds, and Bibb from Hull and then sent to HKR, Brough not going through Wakefields academy system to first team, but from wakefields academy around the houses, making his name at Hull, before moving to Cas then finally being a first team regular at Wakefield,
and considering Morton has played a grand total of three games in his career, no they dont count as players who wakefield have taken through the academy system, in to regular first team players
Ferguson does though
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "no, nobody has said that, what a strange thing to make up!
no but they need to be regular starters in super league squads over a sustained period of time
no, but i dont think they have produced a huge amount more, who would be regular starters in SL squads for sustained periods of time,
because you were trying to prove wakefield had always had good youth development, your best examples were neil fox and a couple of players from 25 years ago
like Ellis and Pitts? i wonder how many players developed by Leeds a more predatory club like wakefield has had over the past few years?
i did wonder how long it would take you to blame somebody else
because you arent developing players who will go onto play for the senior side, this is the point of youth development, if you arent doing it, you arent very good at it,
but after all, you did produce Gareth Ellis, in ten years, that means you have done well doesnt it?'"
The difference between a predatory club and a club which signs players who have been released from another club is obvious!
Wakefield have produced players via the junior system every season for as long as I can remember!
Some seasons being better than others but we've always produced players!
If you want a definitive list I'm not going to provide it for you!
However the evidence and the facts are out there for you to find, so if you want to know go find them!
There are many I assure you! Happy hunting
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "considering George came from Hudds, and Pitts is now at Leeds, and Bibb from Hull and then sent to HKR, Brough not going through Wakefields academy system to first team, but from wakefields academy around the houses, making his name at Hull, before moving to Cas then finally being a first team regular at Wakefield,
and considering Morton has played a grand total of three games in his career, no they dont count as players who wakefield have taken through the academy system, in to regular first team players
Ferguson does though'"
In your opinion
you are a joker!
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| Quote: CAM. "Well done on having the 5th best academy Wakefield.'"
If you want to be constantly contentious at least try and make sense.
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| Quote: Wildthing "If you want to be constantly contentious at least try and make sense.'"
What?
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| Quote: The Clan "The difference between a predatory club and a club which signs players who have been released from another club is obvious!'"
yes, one club realises the reality of players moving clubs, the other wants to portray itself as a victim to big bullys rather than get itself sorted
Quote: The Clan "Wakefield have produced players via the junior system every season for as long as I can remember!
Some seasons being better than others but we've always produced players!
If you want a definitive list I'm not going to provide it for you!
However the evidence and the facts are out there for you to find, so if you want to know go find them!
There are many I assure you! Happy hunting'"
no, its your assertion, its your job to back it up with evidence, if you dont have it, you dont have it, and it shows that your argument was based on nothing more than what you would like to be true, rather than what is
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| Quote: The Clan "In your opinion
you are a joker!'"
err yes, it is only my opinion that players who didnt come through wakefields youth academy didnt come through wakefields youth academy
that and a self evident statement
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "yes, one club realises the reality of players moving clubs, the other wants to portray itself as a victim to big bullys rather than get itself sorted
no, its your assertion, its your job to back it up with evidence, if you dont have it, you dont have it, and it shows that your argument was based on nothing more than what you would like to be true, rather than what is'"
No it shows that I do not want to become involved in a long protracted argument with some non entity who only wants to believe what he/she believes and won't be told any different.
As I said, if you are so interested then go and do the homework yourself.
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| Quote: CAM. "What?'"
Back at ya bitch.
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| Quote: The Clan "No it shows that I do not want to become involved in a long protracted argument with some non entity who only wants to believe what he/she believes and won't be told any different.
As I said, if you are so interested then go and do the homework yourself.'"
its not my assertion, Im not going to go to the trouble of doing your work, for you,
if your argument was backed up by evidence you would have it, you clearly dont so why not just admit it?
if you knew for a fact there was many more players than the six you listed, you would know who they were
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "its not my assertion, Im not going to go to the trouble of doing your work, for you,
if your argument was backed up by evidence you would have it, you clearly dont so why not just admit it?
if you knew for a fact there was many more players than the six you listed, you would know who they were'"
I do know who they are, I've been around or nearby to see most of them come through the system.
I'm more than happy that any statements I've made are true and factual.
If you think you can prove my statements to be wrong then knock yourself out.
I feel no compunction to humour you neither do I feel any obligation to justify Wakefield Trinity's Jr development record by writing lists of players who have played first-team football, I'm really not that sad!
Good luck
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "considering George came from Hudds, and Pitts is now at Leeds, and Bibb from Hull and then sent to HKR, Brough not going through Wakefields academy system to first team, but from wakefields academy around the houses, making his name at Hull, before moving to Cas then finally being a first team regular at Wakefield,
and considering Morton has played a grand total of three games in his career, no they dont count as players who wakefield have taken through the academy system, in to regular first team players
Ferguson does though'"
So Pitts who played 15 out of 16 games doesnt count as a player that has came through the academy and established himself as a regular first team player at Wakefield,i think most people would disagree.
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| You know the funny thing here.
I laugh when I think of Wakefield developing junior players, yet they develop junior players ten time better than Hull FC!
Sad.....
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| I wish we wouldn't post things like this on the terrace. It just opens the discussion up to people who want to disprove what is being said.
Wakefield are happy with the current youth development. We can only beat the other teams in the league, win the trophy and sign the players. The rest is in the future. Why look for approval from other club supporters. It's there as a fact, we have done well.
As for previous youth development, of course we have had one, it isn't as big a system as Leeds or Wigan but it is there and we produce good players, not all world beaters but some are. Let's be proud of that too.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "considering George came from Hudds, and Pitts is now at Leeds, and Bibb from Hull and then sent to HKR, Brough not going through Wakefields academy system to first team, but from wakefields academy around the houses, making his name at Hull, before moving to Cas then finally being a first team regular at Wakefield,
and considering Morton has played a grand total of three games in his career, no they dont count as players who wakefield have taken through the academy system, in to regular first team players
Ferguson does though'"
What difference does it makes if pitts is now at leeds? wakefield still developed him as a player, and he was a first team regular. Just because he is no longer at wakefield that doesnt mean that he wasnt developed by wakefield from academy into regular first team level. Did brough come through the wakefield academy? yes. is he a first teamer at wakefield now? yes.
My god smokey i forgot how good you were at twisting things to breaking point until they fit your argument.
Still cant be bothered the wakey fans can argue with you whilst you try to paint black as white and up as down.
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