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Quote: bramleyrhino "Forgive my ignorance, but surely in such a case there is a clause (ala Super League clubs who were relegated) that the contracts are only valid on the proviso that the club is still competing in that division?'"


Dont forget that SL and the NL,s/Championships are and always have been seperate competitions

There has never been ' criteria or certain outside standards ' that needed to be met to be promoted between the 2 divisions outside SL

Makes a change for things to go in our favour icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Makes a change for things to go in our favour Don't count your chickens just yet.......the RFL move in mysterious ways icon_cool.gif

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Quote: Roofs "Faiy play to Quins for bringing those guys through. My arguement though re our overseas players is yes, we do have quite a few at the mo. However, it is only our 3rd season in SL after years of Hull having the pick of the city's young local talent, but things are heading in the right direction. Are you saying you wasn't still a team mostly full of Aussie players by 98 (your third season in SL too), because I rqather think you were.
1882..........to 2009.......127 years of Rugby League History and still you need to get a helping hand from the RFL icon_rolleyes.gif icon_wink.gif
LondonFulhamCrusaderBroncoQuinsRL are 30 years old next year........with less overseas players on their squad than some heartland SL clubs and we are producing them all on our own without having to steal other teams good young prospects.....Mmmmm, now, if only we could get people to watch them play we'd be laughing icon_cool.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "Don't count your chickens just yet.......the RFL move in mysterious ways
As I said , they either give us the dispensation or we get sued for breach of contract

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Quote: Starbug "As I said , they either give us the dispensation or we get sued for breach of contract'"


Dispensation or not, the status of your players contracts is a matter for your club to look into. Just because you were relegated, you don't have the right to break the cap because you have already signed Robbie Paul. There should have been (I suspect there was) a clause covering such an occurance.
Anyway, back on thread, you will p155 all over C1 next year. The only need for you to spend more than others in that division is if you really are going to have a pop at the Thomas the Tank Engine Cup as a route to a franchise application in 2011.

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Quote: gutterfax "Dispensation or not, the status of your players contracts is a matter for your club to look into. Just because you were relegated, you don't have the right to break the cap because you have already signed Robbie Paul. There should have been (I suspect there was) a clause covering such an occurance.
Anyway, back on thread, you will p155 all over C1 next year. The only need for you to spend more than others in that division is if you really are going to have a pop at the Thomas the Tank Engine Cup as a route to a franchise application in 2011.'"


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Quote: gutterfax "Dispensation or not, the status of your players contracts is a matter for your club to look into. Just because you were relegated, you don't have the right to break the cap because you have already signed Robbie Paul. There should have been (I suspect there was) a clause covering such an occurance.
Anyway, back on thread, you will p155 all over C1 next year. The only need for you to spend more than others in that division is if you really are going to have a pop at the Thomas the Tank Engine Cup as a route to a franchise application in 2011.'"


No need as they a both divisions of the same competition , not separate competitions icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "No need as they a both divisions of the same competition , not separate competitions ....with different levels of Cellery cap though??
I thought the cap was about £150k in C1 and £400k in C proper?

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Quote: gutterfax "1882..........to 2009.......127 years of Rugby League History and still you need to get a helping hand from the RFL
That's the thing though - fantastic history, but we spent 12 years outside the top flight which meant we've basically had to start from scratch with a youth set-up. However we're getting there steadily, and will continue to bring the likes of Kris Welham and Chas I'Anson through.
Meanwhile, we have good home support and a fantastic away following. These, IMO, are two crucial factors to justifying inclusion in SL, not just the RFL wanting a club in because it's 'great for the game'. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_razz.gif icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "....with different levels of Cellery cap though??
I thought the cap was about £150k in C1 and £400k in C proper?'"


Good job we arent paying them with vegetables then icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Roofs "That's the thing though - fantastic history, but we spent 12 years outside the top flight which meant we've basically had to start from scratch with a youth set-up. However we're getting there steadily, and will continue to bring the likes of Kris Welham and Chas I'Anson through.
Meanwhile, we have good home support and a fantastic away following. These, IMO, are two crucial factors to justifying inclusion in SL, not just the RFL wanting a club in because it's 'great for the game'. er.........127 years, less the 3 just over (well this years over for us) and the 12 missing in the lower leagues......so 112 years in the top flight.
Also, why did you have to start from scratch? I can understand that the other Hull Club may have turned the heads of some youngsters, but surely a youth set up would have been relitively easy and cheap to keep going. I mean, binning the youth set up to justify spending all that time effort and money on getting to superleague icon_eek.gif icon_eek.gif icon_eek.gif ....you're lucky you're not broke icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif icon_cool.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "er.........127 years, less the 3 just over (well this years over for us) and the 12 missing in the lower leagues......so 112 years in the top flight.
Also, why did you have to start from scratch? I can understand that the other Hull Club may have turned the heads of some youngsters, but surely a youth set up would have been relitively easy and cheap to keep going. I mean, binning the youth set up to justify spending all that time effort and money on getting to superleague
Still meant starting from scratch - young players are only young for so long. icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

Hull basically had the city's RL talent to themselves for years because they could offer the youngster SL rugby - something we couldn't. But, the tide has started to turn at last. icon_twisted.gif icon_lol.gif

We're far from broke, that's why our coach has signed a new deal, as have all our players we want to keep (inc the Dream Team Four icon_cool.gif ). And, you see, if you have a strong following who turn up in numbers each home game and buy plenty of merchandise you can do this (and consequently make the play-offs). However, if you only draw 2000 or 3000 in SL, you're gonna be limited, and hence miss out. icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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P.S. Ticket sorted for Firday night - nice, traditional RL ground. icon_cool.gif icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif icon_smile.gif

P.P.S. For me it's really all about principle. icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "As I said , they either give us the dispensation or we get sued for breach of contract'"


Ah learning from your friends down the road I see icon_lol.gif

I understand the rule you want is the Pie muncher salary cap rule...

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Still, we've made the play-offs twice and finished 2nd in the comp, so, even with 3,400 odd averages, it can be done.
As for the Dream Team 4.......well done. It is a little known fact that London players can't make the DT......just look at the leading superleague try scorer for two seasons running in '02 and '03.......Still, at least we got a few quid of Wigan for him before they ruined him icon_wink.gif

Hope you enjoy your play-off games and I believe that you and Hudds have been the most improved teams this year......if you can keep the debt down and sort the kids out, HKR should be OK for a licence in 2011 icon_wink.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "Still, we've made the play-offs twice and finished 2nd in the comp, so, even with 3,400 odd averages, it can be done.
As for the Dream Team 4.......well done. It is a little known fact that London players can't make the DT......just look at the leading superleague try scorer for two seasons running in '02 and '03.......Still, at least we got a few quid of Wigan for him before they ruined him
Yeah it sure can be done on 3,400 averages...if you have a little back-hand help from the RFL here and there. icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

Cheers re Dream Team, but you must be joking - the media would surely want as many Quins players as poss in it?! icon_eek.gif

No progb with debt, our chairman is a very intelligent guy, we're fine. icon_cool.gif 4 or 5 academy/reserve players are been talked about for big things, so everythings shaping up nicely. icon_cool.gif icon_thumb.gif

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