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| Shaun Edwards was a support player without peer, they are similar in styles in so many ways imo.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "You'll have given one or two of them heart attacks with that kind of comment.
Dennis Moran was a great player......Wigan saw him play, they decided they wanted him, so they bought him and ruined him. He went from Joint SL try scorer 2 years running to "the worst signing in the history of Wigan" to quote some bitter fool on the goons board.
Wigan fans do seem to be the only ones bitchin9 about the cap and only ever after they have been beaten, knocked out of the cup or had to break the cap to stay in SL........
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| The funny thing is it wouldnt make much difference to Wigan if the cap was lifted, they'd still be mid table.
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| Quote: pyeman "Myler came from the widnes academy, not the salford one, he was playing first team for widnes when they went t!ts up.'"
No, he wasn't.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: Adamjk "No, he wasn't.'"
Well thats strange, i seem to recall him making his debut in the first team in 2007, and doing rather well too.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: Dunbar "As a Wigan lad brought up watching Wigan RL win everything through the late 80's and early 90's, I simply don't get this concept of falling standards
You cannot watch old videos of a Wigan team destroying everybody and say that standards have fallen - that was a full time professional team playing part timers... put that equation into any sport and the pro's will come out on top
I think that Andy Gregory and Ellery Hanley were superstars of the game and immensely talented in different ways but the rest of the Wigan team (GB Players) of that era were good pro's but not outstanding. Danny McGuire is at least as good a player as a Sean Edwards was (I think better) - parachute McGuire into the Wigan team of the 80's and he would be a superstar
Same with Phil Clarke for example... no doubt in my mind that Joe Westerman is a more talented player
I could go on - but the point is that equalising standards does not necessarily reduce them'"
Spot on.
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| Quote: Adamjk "No, he wasn't.'"
Yes, he was. Smart .
He played at Batley and Castleford, IIRC.
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| Quote: richardviking "Yes, he was. Smart booty.
He played at Batley and Castleford, IIRC.'"
I knew he had played in a couple of games but I was thinking more along the lines of regular first team appearances. I have no doubt that he would have gone on to be a regular feature but it seemed like the original poster was insinuating that he was playing regularly.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Adamjk "I knew he had played in a couple of games but I was thinking more along the lines of regular first team appearances. I have no doubt that he would have gone on to be a regular feature but it seemed like the original poster was insinuating that he was playing regularly.'"
er....wriggle away, but you did get there all on your own and you have nobody but yourself to blame.
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| Quote: gutterfax "er....wriggle away, but you did get there all on your own and you have nobody but yourself to blame.
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Come on - I mean there is a difference. Andrew Thornley made one appearance when on loan for us against Saints this season. I would never say "he's been playing first team rugby". Widnes obviously should take a lot of the credit for Myler but we did sign a 17 year old half back and start him from day one of the season which in most cases you wouldn't expect to happen.
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[quote="Deano G":wqb36lm9]Come to think of it, that Saints side (1992/93) was a better side than the 2006 side and the 2009 side.[/quote:wqb36lm9]: |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Essentially Warrington won on Saturday as they were not as bad as Wigan. They did try their best to hit the suicide button, but Wigan were simply not clinical enough to exploit it. Two very average sides. Or at least that was the hypothesis.
After the disappointment of Saturday I have been watching some old Wigan games, not to cheer me up, but to answer a question that came into my head repeatedly throughout the game- what on earth has happened to the standard of play/player in RL in the UK?
The harsh reality is that in the last 15 years the only area in which the game has moved on is fitness/strength.
In almost every other area it has gone backwards. There are fewer superstars, less entertaining football (maybe connected to the first one, maybe not), and certainly less "memorable" games.
I asked myself "Surely the CC cannot be responsible for ALL of this". Sadly I found myself time and time again coming to the conclusion that it has.
The CC is a very powerful weapon in RL in the UK, it effectively drags down teams to the lowest average level (it has to mathematically, and thus by it's very nature breeds mediocrity).
"But they have a CC in Austrailia and that works". Well yes and no. They do have one, but the level of media attention ensures that a top players earnings outside his direct salary in Oz will earn far more than one over here.
"They have one in American Football" - yes, however, that is in a country where there is no viable alternative to playing Gridiron (if you are cut out for that type of game), oh and there is also the massive absolute difference in the cap, not to mention sponsorship/other earnings opportunities.
The difference in the UK is that the CC is really hurting the product on display. Few people notice this as the process has been a gradual one over time. Watching video's of how RL used to be played rams home this blunt fact.
Not surprising when we lose players such as:
You can always rely on Tweedledum for a deluded and entertaining post. Now where's Tweedledee (Deano G), the other half of the Brothers Dimm, to add his, equally ludicrious, opinion?
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: Adamjk "I knew he had played in a couple of games but I was thinking more along the lines of regular first team appearances. I have no doubt that he would have gone on to be a regular feature but it seemed like the original poster was insinuating that he was playing regularly.'"
How many games do you have to play in the first team before you are classed as playing first team rugby in your opinion? Most of the credit for developing myler into the player he currently is is down to widnes, which is why i originally posted as it was suggested that salford were responsible for mylers development.
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| Quote: Dico "I didn't agree with it some time ago but i'd like to see possibly any home grown players receive a 25% discount on the cap, nothing too drastic but it could possibly halt the breakup of champion teams which seems to happen a lot over in Aus. I'm all for everyone else having a go but they need to earn it.'"
i'd go a step further and say players trained by a club dont cost under the salary cap until aged 21. add to that heavy compensation for taking a player under 23 from his original club.
I see a lot comparisons with aussie players. remember they have had a bigger talent pool for a longer period of time not to mention far superior junior structures and coaching. RL's junior talent pool has only really gone national here in the last decade and we have a lot of catching up to do in coaching etc..... but on the bright side look at places like london, the junior development and amateur game there is exciting for RL's future.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Dennis Moran was a great player......Wigan saw him play, they decided they wanted him, so they bought him and ruined him. He went from Joint SL try scorer 2 years running to "the worst signing in the history of Wigan" to quote some bitter fool on the goons board.
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It's all about handling pressure. Playing at London the pressure is off. Expectations are not that high there. Playing at Wigan the pressure is on with the historical stature of the club and Moran simple didn't handle that.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: Bilko "It's all about handling pressure. Playing at London the pressure is off. Expectations are not that high there. Playing at Wigan the pressure is on with the historical stature of the club and Moran simple didn't handle that.'"
I thinks it more to do with the fact that wigan used him in the wrong role, he was a great support player (ala mcguire, dorn) but not a great organiser, and wigan seemed to want to use him as an organiser.
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