He does a massive amount of work, I'd expect him to be in the squad come the end of the year.

do we need workhorses in the England/GB team?

sure, we need someone who can and will make a lot of tackles, but we need someone to actually create gaps and make breaks.

I really like Clough, he is a very good Super League player and will have a great club career ahead of him - but has he actually broken a tackle this year?

The only second rower in SL I would have over Paul Clough is Gareth Hock.

you've missed out the three best youngsters in the game at present...........wheeler, eastmond and clubb

From Salford we have got

Myler
Turner
Adamson
Sidlow
Ratchford

Will all be stars in the future, Special mention to adamson, the others will get the headlines but Adamson is the complete second rower

No one has mentioned Gregg McNally either i think he will be better than tomkins in a few seasons

so in future the england the england side could look like

Eastmond
Hall
Shenton
Turner
Ainscough
McNally
Myler
Graham
Roby
LMS
Adamson
Clough
Westerman

Burgess
Burgess
Clubb
Tomkins

shouldn't that be from widnes with these two? salford had all to do with their junior development...................

I also like the look of halley at bradford, wheeler at saints( there is another young lad at saints who's name escapes me) The tompkins lads at wigan, shaun lunt and moore at huddersield, we have the foundations of a good selection of talent at our disposal, how they are used is up to the man at the helm

Quote: saints35 bulls0 "do we need workhorses in the England/GB team? sure, we need someone who can and will make a lot of tackles, but we need someone to actually create gaps and make breaks. I really like Clough, he is a very good Super League player and will have a great club career ahead of him - but has he actually broken a tackle this year?'" 15 looks a lot better than westerman on this www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Quote: saints35 bulls0 "do we need workhorses in the England/GB team? sure, we need someone who can and will make a lot of tackles, but we need someone to actually create gaps and make breaks. I really like Clough, he is a very good Super League player and will have a great club career ahead of him - but has he actually broken a tackle this year?'" 15 looks a lot better than westerman on this www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

gary wheeler is by far the best young prospect in the game at present, arguably the best stand off any club have had since tony myler.......

sorry i meant in the current salford first team squad not who came through our ranks

Who are you? 7,000 posts and I've never seen you post on the Saints board? Name change I guess?

If Wheeler is so good, why isn't he playing first team rugby?

firstly you don't see me post on the saints board because old chap i support widnes,

secondly, wheeler has played several first team games this season with quite a good try scoring record to boot. he would certainly have played more but for injuries.............

Yes, we do. I think we forget that with our back rows.

Something that struck me about the Aussie in the world cup, was how well the back rows helped ease the workload on the props.

You've got to win the grind before you worry about the fancy stuff. You should have 3 solid backrow and 1 impact in your 17 imo.