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| ok really modern stadiums have computerised counters which lock each gate when its allocation has gone, there results in total are sent to a central database for crowd control reasons and official figures.
however......super league attendance figures, god knows, i heard at one point these kids tickets that are a tenner was so each club could include each one in every away gane
so for example if wakey has sold 300 its 300 every time we play away regardless of whether they go.
strangley if thats true its a very easy way of hitting the 8000 target.
and also if kids get freebies to be part of entertainment etc do they count?
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| Quote chapster="chapster"ok really modern stadiums have computerised counters which lock each gate when its allocation has gone, there results in total are sent to a central database for crowd control reasons and official figures.
however......super league attendance figures, god knows, i heard at one point these kids tickets that are a tenner was so each club could include each one in every away gane
so for example if wakey has sold 300 its 300 every time we play away regardless of whether they go.
strangley if thats true its a very easy way of hitting the 8000 target.
and also if kids get freebies to be part of entertainment etc do they count?'"
Thats just madness, running a business and declaring to the taxman a higher income than you actually have??
And freebies do count its people through the door, not what they paid that counts.
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| Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"Thats just madness, running a business and declaring to the taxman a higher income than you actually have??
And freebies do count its people through the door, not what they paid that counts.'"
no your missing the point
income has nothing to do with attendances, its a balance sheet item on the clubs accounts. far easier to fiddle the kids entry to parent than the attnedance, especially if you used shared gates.
i am merely asking what the real criteria for the super league franchise 8000 attendance target includes / excludes.
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| Quote chapster="chapster"
so for example if wakey has sold 300 its 300 every time we play away regardless of whether they go.'"
No they don't, attendance must be an accurate figure of who is in the ground, this is a H&S requirement.
Quote chapster="chapster"and also if kids get freebies to be part of entertainment etc do they count?'"
Yes.
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| Quote Big Graeme="Big Graeme"No they don't, attendance must be an accurate figure of who is in the ground, this is a H&S requirement.
not the point again.
are you aware of the difference between the attendance and the official attendance?
one, the attendance, you are correct is for h+s and is bums on seats and one may be adjusted, im just not sure by who .
ie its the diffenernce between paid attendees and officially sold tickets
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| That might be why you get different figures announced for the same game, never knew that.
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| Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"Thats just madness, running a business and declaring to the taxman a higher income than you actually have??
And freebies do count its people through the door, not what they paid that counts.'"
ok a kid and a parent goes through same turnstile pays 18 poundS plus say 6 pounds
= 24 quid
nice and easy
two parents and one kid - 42 pounds
one parent and 2 kids - 30 pounds
no tickets issued, no audit trail so one puts through two parents and one child as one parent and two children, the beuty of a shared turnstile
and far greater percentage than fiddling the attendance
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| Quote chapster="chapster"Quote chapster="Saint Simon"Thats just madness, running a business and declaring to the taxman a higher income than you actually have??
And freebies do count its people through the door, not what they paid that counts.'"
ok a kid and a parent goes through same turnstile pays 18 poundS plus say 6 pounds
= 24 quid
nice and easy
two parents and one kid - 42 pounds
one parent and 2 kids - 30 pounds
no tickets issued, no audit trail so one puts through two parents and one child as one parent and two children, the beuty of a shared turnstile
and far greater percentage than fiddling the attendance'" '"
Sounds easy doesnt it? So who write the incorrect figure down? the person in the turnstile? or the Admin supervisor? or the club secretary? Each one will have to sign for the amounts, give in a receipt at each level so how do you cover that up?
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| Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"Quote Saint Simon="chapster"
Sounds easy doesnt it? So who write the incorrect figure down? the person in the turnstile? or the Admin supervisor? or the club secretary? Each one will have to sign for the amounts, give in a receipt at each level so how do you cover that up?'" '"
easy peasy
cash is ok at all levels you just can manipulte who that cash was for, so long as there is no tickets for adults and children issued at the gate.
then you play around with non turnstile entries in corporate and season ticket holders in stands and jobs a good un.
er thats in theory of course, i would frown upon any club that did this.
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| Quote chapster="chapster"..
easy peasy
cash is ok at all levels you just can manipulte who that cash was for, so long as there is no tickets for adults and children issued at the gate.
then you play around with non turnstile entries in corporate and season ticket holders in stands and jobs a good un.
er thats in theory of course, i would frown upon any club that did this.'"
You're making this sh#t up as you go along, aren't you!?! 
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| Quote Big Graeme="Big Graeme"No they don't, attendance must be an accurate figure of who is in the ground, this is a H&S requirement.
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However, whenever a SL match is a sell out, the announced attendance is usually given as the ground capacity - which is almost impossible, given some season ticket holders are surely going to be on holiday or at work or otherwise unable to attend.
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| Quote SEB="SEB"However, whenever a SL match is a sell out, the announced attendance is usually given as the ground capacity - which is almost impossible, given some season ticket holders are surely going to be on holiday or at work or otherwise unable to attend.'"
Not seen too many sell out matches to judge mate.
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