Hes got one more assist, and apart from that, an ageing SL player comming to the end of his career, out performs the youthful Tim SMith on statistics by a hell of a lot. But then I dont need the statistics to see who the better player is.

but you still went looking for them

I'll be amazed when you submit a post without mentioning Wigan.

But I thought you said that the Saints way was producing young quality Saints born players?

Make your mind up.

come on! it's not like he's obsessed with us... his sig what..?

Apart from winning Grand Finals, of course.

I again just ask you to elaborate further but you refuse. It's either a waste of time or you cannot be bothered. Stick to one excuse. Just accept some people may have different opinions on certain players. I am not biased at all, I think I was quite fair to be honest. I accept both players have weaknesses but stress that they have talent and a lot of potential to progress further into excellent players. Your dismissal of the talents of both players while claiming to have seen a lot of them and not be biased is just amusing. How anybody who has seen both lads play since they were 16 and think that they do not have the potential quite clearly lack judgement and any knowledge of rugby league.

Your inability to reply to my questions and opinions due to you not being bothered seems to indicate so.

You do realise that there are about 4 youngsters in the Saints squad, all fighting over replacing the legend, Sean Long dont you.

4 average youngsters, yes

And are they all of this "quality" you are referring to?

Yes

So let me get this straight.

Sam Tomkins and Sean Ainscough don't fall into this "quality catergory".

But these four players which I ask you to name do.

This should be good.

I'll give you Eastmond and that'll be it.