The first time they've been superior to us is the first few games of this season.

Just because they can beat us in one off games doesn't mean they're our superior. We have consistantly finished above them every season for the past couple of decades. (In 2007 we were level on points because we had two points deducted. We was still consistantly better than them during that season.)

Regardless of what happened against Huddersfield last year, we finished higher and was one game away from the Grand Final where as they finished 10th.

Don't get arrogance confused with fact.

Facilities - I'm embaressed to say Saints! (the Gents Loos are the stuff of Legend!!!)
Pitch - Bradford (those corners!!), Warrington (sack the groundsman, as well as the board, the manager/GM etc..)
Fans - Hull (FC & KR) - the only time I have EVER seen Riot Police at a RL game is when Hull or Hull KR are playing!!
(Saints fans sadly also get a mention - sing a song about sniffing glue followed by 10 minutes of silence - followed by a song about Ryan Bailey's amourous liasons at bathtime - followed by a further 10 minutes of silence only interrupted when Saints score a try!)

Facilities;- Castleford

Pitch;- Harlequins

Fans:- Hull Kr (bricks/bottles through coach windows nice touch)

How far back you wanna go?

As someone as already said, sheer arrogance, there was a time when we were top and handing you your asses but you have to go back a bit longer than your tender years

Worst Facilities: I'm not suprised at Wakefield being many peoples first choice but Wheldon Road is a dump too, amost as bad as Belle Vue.

Worst Pitch: I'll go with Bradford

Worst Fans: The feuding factions of Humber Town, for their constant derailing of any discussion.

Yeah, and there should be absolutley no 'expection' for clubs to want to improve and compete with the likes of Wigan should there? I mean, for Huddersfield to go to Wigan and not let them go forward at will, well it just needs looking at doesn't it? It's just not right!

I don't disagree with any of that.

My argument is that it's not arrogant to expect Wigan to finish above sides such as Huddersfield when you take into account previous league table and playoff positions.

Is it arrogant or blinkered to think that your fans can't be worse because their are more of them?

I didn't say that.

I said you've more chance of a 'bad experience' as there are more supporters than most other clubs, hence why Leeds, Wigan and Hull KR are getting regulary mentioned.

Or perhaps its nothing to do with the amount its just people don't like them for whatever reason.

I can understand people having a dislike for fans of all 3 tbh, and the arrogance I encounter from a lot of Wigan fans still living in the past does give me a dislike for them in that respect.

So are you saying Wigan are allowed more bad apples because you have more fans? Not sure that's the best way to think to be honest. If that was the case, a Celtic fan could stab someone and Wigan would still be classed as worse, because there is less of them.

Anyway...

On and on about the giants...poor boy.

Worst facilities Wakey
Worst pitch Bulls
Worst fans Wigan* / HKR

* eg Hudds score a try to go 14-8 ahead with 6/7 mins to go. Before Hodgo has attempted the conversion hundreds of wigan fans are pouring out!