Quite ironic really.

The Toronto Arrows are A newly formed team. They played exhibition games only in 2018 under the name Ontario Arrows, then bought their way into the MLR (Major League Rugby) in 2019 by actually buying part ownership of the league itself to get in. They played their inaugural season in MLR by renting two grounds, a college ground and yes you guessed it, Lamport Stadium. The deal with TSN cost them money (and by the way TSN also showed TWP games prior to the one man ego show and then going into SL).
They have some new backers with money (sound familiar) who have bought their way into a league by buying part of the league. This one year old team, with no home, playing out of two rented grounds in a league they partially bought, is your example of a success story and an example of how big rugby union is in Canada.

Almost forgot.
Toronto Arrows reported average crowd in 2019........2133.

Toronto Wolfpack reported average crowd in 2019...... 7882

Not even Donny can put a negative on the Toronto attendances.
The marketing and promotion of a new club in "alien" territory is something that ALL of the UK clubs and the RFL could do to learn from.

Add to the fact that these were all new fans of the sport, it's difficult to imagine any UK club being this successful at putting bums on seats.

Once again: Agreed. The business house and marketing are second only to the Bulls at the beginning. of Super league.

Sshhhh that will get a response. !

The Midlands is the place where the RFL and clubs should push expansion, ETP and getting another couple of semi pro clubs. It can be done, IF there is the will. Problem is, the 'expansionists' and anti expansionists, would say, 'The Midlands, why, dod't be daft'. In fact Donny Osmand said just last week, ...like some country bumpkin, 'Ugh ugh, Mansfield???'

BUT that is where the expansion would work best in the UK IF there was the will and understanding.

I must confess I have an interest, but I am correct.

You don't seem to be able to take anything in, especially all the returning fans from the Lamport who cast doubts on the TWP paying crowds three ways....

1. Physically there never seemed to be as many reported actually in the stadia.
2. Money wise many never paid, free tickets and a free gate left open during the match.
3. None of them came over here to swell the crowds.

But again what you mainly can't take in is:-

4. Perez was clear to Dave Woods that TWP would bring us NATV deals and Pro-NA players. Nothing about crowds at all.
5. No TV deals and no players.
6. Your maybe trolling, but it at least gives me chance to remind people of the truth.

It's you that is disparaging to all things Toronto.

Do you think that newly promoted clubs (and many of the others) dont dosh out freebies.
Even if they did, many would struggle to get close to their Championship crowds - remember they have never played at home in SL.
Of course, very few come this way to see games but, perhaps you should find "Gutterfax", he'll explain to you why this isn't that critical.
Although, it's worth noting that despite very few away fans, most clubs enjoyed their highest attendance of the season when Toronto came to town.
So, Perez "bigged up" what Toronto would achieve, good on him for doing so - every club should sell themselves heavily - it's worth noting that the financial "losers" in there not being a NATV deal are...........Toronto, so what the hell is your problem.

As for players, I absolutely agree with you and every club, SL or otherwise, should be developing players.
Having said that, it's still very, very early days for a new club to develop their own, just look how long London took, 20 years ??

If you are so desperate for more English clubs in SL, why not simply advocate this, instead of anti overseas every 2 minutes.
Remember again that from your 5/6 clubs that you are so desperate to have in the top flight.
Widnes, Bradford, Leigh, Feathersone and London have all been there and also been found wanting and yet, YOU want to demote clubs who have EVERY RIGHT to be in SL.
Nothing left to say but, I'm sure that you will keep on moaning as long as you can

Quote Vancouver Leyther="Vancouver Leyther" Fact - Free tickets were given out to many kids in schools, kids organizations and sporting clubs. Fact - There was free tickets were available through sporting clubs and organizations Fact - Toronto Arrows Rugby Union club are not a success story Fact - Rugby Union is poorly organized and very poorly funded at the national and Provincial level in Canada. They are in no position to stop Rugby League growing in Canada. OK so we agree on the extensive free tickets, that's fine by me but FACT Perez promised NA Players and NA TV deals so the crowd thing is irrelevant anyway. You need to concede exactly what Toronto Wolfpack were offering the game here. This was Perez's initial explanation of what TWP offered for entry to the game here.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIlV68mYc4 This was the first time he said it, he repeated it in numerous interviews after that. Superleague bosses also noted publicly what they sought from "expansion clubs", and understandably it was more players and more TV money. Toronto Wolfpack did not produce one home grown professional RL player nor one canadian dollar from a TV deal to share with SL clubs here - that would be about 10 cents per club but there wasn't even one dollar. Mate - I think Toronto Arrows may or may not be a success story, but my word they have survived and TWP have died. Whatever the dynamics of "growth" Toronto Wolfpack grew nothing, Toronto Arrows grew a Pro Canadian Rugby club full of Canadians. The more you play down the Arrows and Canadian RU the more you expose the relative failure of Toronto Wolfpack and Canadian Rugby League player development. Believe me I wanted them to grow, but the minute they ejected their canadian/american players the alarm bells rang, It was clear Argylle didn't want to build something, he just wanted to buy something. I can understand that as he's pushing 60 and would probably never see professional Canadian RL players come through.... Perez was particularly annoying when pressed, constantly excusing what he promised . He said it would take some years for quality young Canadian players to come through - kicking his own can down the road. He said the big NATV deal would come once there were "5-6 North American clubs in Superleague". But that was and is impossible as the SKY deal is lost without it being predominately English.....

Quote Vancouver Leyther="Vancouver Leyther" Fact - Free tickets were given out to many kids in schools, kids organizations and sporting clubs. Fact - There was free tickets were available through sporting clubs and organizations Fact - Toronto Arrows Rugby Union club are not a success story Fact - Rugby Union is poorly organized and very poorly funded at the national and Provincial level in Canada. They are in no position to stop Rugby League growing in Canada. OK so we agree on the extensive free tickets, that's fine by me but FACT Perez promised NA Players and NA TV deals so the crowd thing is irrelevant anyway. You need to concede exactly what Toronto Wolfpack were offering the game here. This was Perez's initial explanation of what TWP offered for entry to the game here.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIlV68mYc4 This was the first time he said it, he repeated it in numerous interviews after that. Superleague bosses also noted publicly what they sought from "expansion clubs", and understandably it was more players and more TV money. Toronto Wolfpack did not produce one home grown professional RL player nor one canadian dollar from a TV deal to share with SL clubs here - that would be about 10 cents per club but there wasn't even one dollar. Mate - I think Toronto Arrows may or may not be a success story, but my word they have survived and TWP have died. Whatever the dynamics of "growth" Toronto Wolfpack grew nothing, Toronto Arrows grew a Pro Canadian Rugby club full of Canadians. The more you play down the Arrows and Canadian RU the more you expose the relative failure of Toronto Wolfpack and Canadian Rugby League player development. Believe me I wanted them to grow, but the minute they ejected their canadian/american players the alarm bells rang, It was clear Argylle didn't want to build something, he just wanted to buy something. I can understand that as he's pushing 60 and would probably never see professional Canadian RL players come through.... Perez was particularly annoying when pressed, constantly excusing what he promised . He said it would take some years for quality young Canadian players to come through - kicking his own can down the road. He said the big NATV deal would come once there were "5-6 North American clubs in Superleague". But that was and is impossible as the SKY deal is lost without it being predominately English.....