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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "This is the bit I don’t get.

As you righty say, it’s impossible to determine whether the action is deliberate or not.

So, has anybody ever been judged to have deliberately attempted to harm an opponent, if so, how did they know – were they wired to a lie detector?

My point is, is there any point in having an Intentional tariff, when they cannot prove it?'"


Surely intentional cases would be punching, kicking, biting, etc

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Quote: cod'ead "I'm now wondering if they actually viewed the incident in question, after reading this bit[i"your conduct contributed to a prolonged melee occurring"[/i

What "prolonged melee" would that be then?'"


I think they men Francis Melee

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "This is the bit I don’t get.

As you righty say, it’s impossible to determine whether the action is deliberate or not.

..'"


Not at all. Judicial bodies do exactly this all day long. The disciplinary is just one more form of judicial body and all they do (and all they can do) is arrive at a decision based on the [irelevant standard of proof[/i

It would be nonsensical if it was anything else. On the basis of the 'impossible' argument, no person, ever, anywhere, could ever be convicted of doing anything deliberately, if they came up with an excuse, since only they can actually know what was in their head. That would be absurd.

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Quote: Legionited "Surely intentional cases would be punching, kicking, biting, etc'"



Yep I appreciate those, however, I’m referring to the following

A-C Strikes with hand, arm or shoulder – reckless
C-D Strikes with hand, arm or shoulder – intentional
C-E Strikes with elbow – tackling – reckless
D-F Strikes with elbow – tackling – intentional


How does the panel decide whether intentional or not, Superleague player or Championship, International or not, toss a coin?

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Quote: cod'ead "I'm now wondering if they actually viewed the incident in question, after reading this bit[i"your conduct contributed to a prolonged melee occurring"[/i

What "prolonged melee" would that be then?'"


I think it did start to get a bit tasty in the few minutes after that - didnt Emmett swing closed fist at a Fev forward in the tackle etc?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Not at all. Judicial bodies do exactly this all day long. The disciplinary is just one more form of judicial body and all they do (and all they can do) is arrive at a decision based on the [irelevant standard of proof[/i

It would be nonsensical if it was anything else. On the basis of the 'impossible' argument, no person, ever, anywhere, could ever be convicted of doing anything deliberately, if they came up with an excuse, since only they can actually know what was in their head. That would be absurd.'"



So, you’re presumably saying the Disciplinary Panel decided that the Chase challenge was just reckless?

If that’s the case we need some new blood (no pun intended) on the Panel.

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Quote: Highlander "The report is up.rlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3553rl
The player does not have a great record and the committee feel that a 3 match suspension and a £300 fine is appropriate.
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Actually Chase's record is pretty good. Only one ban of 1 match in 7 years of playing as a professional, according to analysis of previous disciplinary reports. "A great record" is such sloppy terminology. They have specific details available, so why not refer to them?

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Yep I appreciate those, however, I’m referring to the following

A-C Strikes with hand, arm or shoulder – reckless
C-D Strikes with hand, arm or shoulder – intentional
C-E Strikes with elbow – tackling – reckless
D-F Strikes with elbow – tackling – intentional


How does the panel decide whether intentional or not, Superleague player or Championship, International or not, toss a coin?'"


Well punching, swinging an arm into the face of an opponent, leading with an elbow could easily be classified as intentional strikes. I think it would be tough however to say whether the use of a shoulder was intentional unless it was being dropped on a grounded opponent perhaps.

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Quote: cod'ead "I'm now wondering if they actually viewed the incident in question, after reading this bit[i"your conduct contributed to a prolonged melee occurring"[/i

What "prolonged melee" would that be then?'"


Also this bit


[sizePotential for serious injury[/size

Since when is a broken jaw only potentially serious rather than serious d040.gif

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Quote: "The opponent has sustained a serious injury which has been noted from his club and the committee view this incident very seriously and have indeed thought about going outside the Match Review Panel’s recommended guidelines for a Grade C offence. The player does not have a great record and the committee feel that a 3 match suspension and a £300 fine is appropriate.'"


Bit of a contrary judgement really - they talked about the aggravating factors, stated that it was within their gift to go beyond the guidelines, made reference to his recent record, then went for the pathetic cop-out of 3 games and £300.

Let that be a lesson to you Mr Chase!

Cue Millward annd Chase high-fiving each other on the steps of Red Hall before going for a celebratory Nandos.

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Quote: Legionited "Well punching, swinging an arm into the face of an opponent, leading with an elbow could easily be classified as intentional strikes. I think it would be tough however to say whether the use of a shoulder was intentional unless it was being dropped on a grounded opponent perhaps.'"



Although there are numerous categories, at the end of the day, the disciplinary have decided the challenge was reckless rather than intentional.

The overwhelming consensus, on here at least, was that it was intentional.

But what do we know, we’re just plebs, not knowledgeable disciplinary panellists, or maybe the panel was made up of Cas fans icon_wink.gif .

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Pollsters doing Excellent job - say recent polls.:



According to the rota, the panel was made up of :
P Charlesworth W George R Bridge

I assume when they said the had considered going outwith guidelines - that is code for a split decision in the panel ?

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Not sure whether this has already been posted. Can't be bothered looking through 40+ pages.



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Quote: King Street Cat "Not sure whether this has already been posted. Can't be bothered looking through 40+ pages.

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that is aweful!

just watched it back for the 1st time and it is clearly intentional and Chase should be banned for as long as Tangi is out for.

Discrasful!!!!

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The way I see it Cas were getting beat by lower league local rivals Fev and things weren't going Chase's way and he lost control. He is a petulant so and so when things don't go his way and seems to me that his frustrations got the better of him.

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