the game of rugby pre dates the formation of the RFU.

ru claims 1886 as its formation date

many current SL clubs were playing rugby 20 years before this date.

where did I say it didn't?
Fact is dally you looked like a plum for suggesting the bomb/up and under was stolen from amaerican football and even worse, from the forward pass in said game. You have now tried to wriggle off the hook by getting into a history debate...and are looking even more like a complete banana with each post. Stop now before you resemble a fruit salad

Back on thread. NZRL needs only one thing from the NRL......and it's not an Origin type game.....it's a second franchise. The NRL won't do it though......they can't see farther than their own back yard.

when people say RL came from union they are just ignorant of the history of RL.

Quote: dally messenger "union did not spawn league my little friend. in 1895 a bunch of northern rugby clubs decided theyd had enough of the hypocrisy, dishonest of the RFU and their attempts to block their influence in the game and decided to break away for over 10 years the nu played the same rules as before in 1906/7 we decided we needed a more attractive game and made most of the rule changes we associate with RL, but this was 12 years after our clubs left. indeed many current SL clubs pre date the formation of the RFU so they are older than the union game. in 1895 the game of rugby split into two. the rules didnt change just the governing bodies heck the sport was even called NORTHERN UNION. the genesis for modern day RL is 1906/7'" Some bedtime reading for you www.literature.org/authors/darwi ... f-species/

Quote: dally messenger "union did not spawn league my little friend. in 1895 a bunch of northern rugby clubs decided theyd had enough of the hypocrisy, dishonest of the RFU and their attempts to block their influence in the game and decided to break away for over 10 years the nu played the same rules as before in 1906/7 we decided we needed a more attractive game and made most of the rule changes we associate with RL, but this was 12 years after our clubs left. indeed many current SL clubs pre date the formation of the RFU so they are older than the union game. in 1895 the game of rugby split into two. the rules didnt change just the governing bodies heck the sport was even called NORTHERN UNION. the genesis for modern day RL is 1906/7'" Some bedtime reading for you www.literature.org/authors/darwi ... f-species/

Yes, the same rules that were devised by the RFU, therefore making it rugby union rules, and any variation afterwards would have been spawned from those original rugby union rules.

Admit that you're wrong for once.

dont say that,its fun watching him wriggle like maggot.

Should that not read “admit for once, that you're wrong” – a small but very significant difference

kicking an up and under was an australian RL invention in the 70's derived from a long american football pass, now I've heard eveything!

Fair enough, mea culpa.

No, they don't.

A running back is mostly a ball carrier and would only ever receive short passes.

What you describe as a "bomb" is generally called a Hail Mary pass (on the grounds that it is so unlikely to come off that a prayer beforehand is advisable) and would only ever be thrown to a Wide Receiver.

It is also quite a different play to a bomb kick since it isn't an attempt to pressure the wing / fullback (equivalent positions cornerback and safety in Gridiron), the expectation is that the receiver will be well away from any defensive players.

Gibson may have got the term "bomb" from American football but he certainly didn't get the idea from it.

he took the name and the tactic and adapted it to RL. since we dont allow forward passes im guessing he thought a kick could replace the tactic.

makes gibson even smarter

the game of rugby was played before the RFU were around

union has no right to the game of rugby on its own, only an idiot would believe that

funnier that you deny your own history

have a look at the foundation date of your club Hull Fc. its well before the RFU were invented


there was one common game of rugby which both RL and RU originate from. in 1895 NU clubs split from the RFU and set up their own governing body. they played the same game as before.