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| You're right of course. It did nothing to stop one of those big clubs from going bust.
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| Quote: Famous "Good on Koukash, if he wants to plough desperately needed money into RL then let him. The salary cap is a joke in its present format and is holding the game back. It serves no purpose and is only holding back the bigger clubs and the game as a whole.'"
Could you explain how the cap is holding the bigger clubs back.
Although Saint's (who many would regard as part of the big 4) , may not be having the best of seasons, the others (Wigan, Leeds and Warrington) are going pretty well this time around.
If these clubs were to spend double, or even 10 times the amount that they do now, all that would happen, is that the gulf between the big 4 and the rest would widen.
Do you think this would have a positive effect on the game and help retain the players that are going down under ?
You may be able to save one or two but, even without the salary cap and the weight of the poorer SL clubs around your neck, English clubs cannot compete with the Aussies, due to their sponsorship deal
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50086_1357229109.jpg [b:33tg3xj5]Me:[/b:33tg3xj5] I'm still reeling from the news that someone is considering watching the 1st and 3rd game on Saturday and NOT watching Warrington play. It's like being in Shea Stadium when the Beatles came to town and deciding to nip out for a fag.
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| There's no action a player could bring because of a salary cap. It is not a restraint of that individuals trade, if at all. The article linked to is Australian and therefore has no relevance.
As for Koukash's own Comical Ali, Red League, and his defamatory comments about Warrington breaking the cap, he'd do well to provide his evidence for that or stop making himself look like a mug by repeating it.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Could you explain how the cap is holding the bigger clubs back.
Although Saint's (who many would regard as part of the big 4) , may not be having the best of seasons, the others (Wigan, Leeds and Warrington) are going pretty well this time around.
If these clubs were to spend double, or even 10 times the amount that they do now, all that would happen, is that the gulf between the big 4 and the rest would widen.
Do you think this would have a positive effect on the game and help retain the players that are going down under ?
You may be able to save one or two but, even without the salary cap and the weight of the poorer SL clubs around your neck, English clubs cannot compete with the Aussies, due to their sponsorship deal
Spot on. Not to mention the fact that then all available spending would go on players wages rather than other areas like community work, marketing and sports science.
I'd heard a little stat from one of the sports science guys at Leeds that they're now spending more on sports science/conditioning etc in 1 year than they did in the period 1996-2005.
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| No salary cap for me and no PG's or DL's to find it
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| Quote: maurice "No salary cap for me and no PG's or DL's to find it'"
Will removing the cap actually help anyone.
Apart from stoking up wage inflation amongst UK based players and allowing 4 or 5 SL teams to sign a couple more players, it wont do anything.
And, stoking wage inflation will have a detrimental effect on the game, therefore the net effect is a minus but, lets not upset Wigan or Leeds eh.
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| Hmm. The good Dr has had ample opportunity to make a statement of intent. Be it a player or other such signing.
Proof of the pudding, etc....
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| Quote: Ian 77 Redux "There's no action a player could bring because of a salary cap. It is not a restraint of that individuals trade, if at all. The article linked to is Australian and therefore has no relevance.
As for Koukash's own Comical Ali, Red League, and his defamatory comments about Warrington breaking the cap, he'd do well to provide his evidence for that or stop making himself look like a mug by repeating it.'"
I'm mearly repeating what I've heard, and this is someone who worked at the Warrington wolves apparently cash in hand is the norm at that club and one off huge payments before and after the players starts and finishes his contract. Come on Ian look at the team you had in 2011, John wilkinson told supporters that Salford's 2011 team was not far off the cap and we didn't have players anywhere near the ilk off Warrington.
1 Brett Hodgson
2 Chris Riley
3 Matt King
4 Chris Bridge
5 Joel Monaghan
6 Lee Briers
7 Richard Myler
8 Adrian Morley
9 Michael Monaghan
10 Garreth Carvell
11 Louis Anderson
12 Ben Westwood
13 Ben Harrison
14 Mickey Higham
15 Jon Clarke
16 Paul Wood
17 Simon Grix
18 Michael Cooper
19 Lee Mitchell
20 Matty Blythe
21 Tyrone McCarthy
22 Rhys Williams
23 Ryan Atkins
24 Rhys Evans
26 David Solomona
I'm not having that complete squad shared the £1.8 million salary cap between them, Morley was/is on £200000 a year and same goes for Matt King and Bret Hodgson. That's 600000 on just 3 players of that squad.
And myler left Salford after refusing an apparent £120000 a year deal so he must be on more at the wolves aswel.
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| How much rummaging through their bins did you need to do to find Morley, King and Hodgson's wage slips?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Will removing the cap actually help anyone.
Apart from stoking up wage inflation amongst UK based players and allowing 4 or 5 SL teams to sign a couple more players, it wont do anything.
And, stoking wage inflation will have a detrimental effect on the game, therefore the net effect is a minus but, lets not upset Wigan or Leeds eh.'"
Stoking up wage inflation!! SL wages have deflated year after year in real terms since the cap was introduced, are our players not worth a bit extra £££ ?!
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| I dont have a problem with a cap. Where i do have a problem is that the RFL have done absolutley nothing in the past decade to raise the cap in line with inflation. They also have done notjing to raise the profile of the sport either. There is an article on the wigan board by maurice and dave whelan from around 03 predicting exactly what we have now. Granted they had the wigan clubs interests at heart with their sentiments. But the sport has stood still long enough exactly because of clubs like salford. And now they have some cash they want the rules changing. Well bang your head against a brick wall for another ten years or so boys as the rfl dont even do evolution never mind revolution.
As somone above pointdd out the one area the dr can improve without the rfl being able to touch him is the off the field personell. Brian Noble was as i understand it instrumental in the current training facilities at wigan so they have a good chap there to sort that out.
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| I'd be happy to see a salary cap exemption for a player signed from outside SL. One per club, pay them what you like. Would see some decent NRL stars or RU players coming into the game and appease money bag owners.
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| Salford and the bigger clubs may have the money to spend if the cap is abolished but what about everyone else? The amount of money the smaller clubs will be able to spend on wages will be hampered by the lack of money coming into the game, meaning that eventually their best players will go elsewhere and the gap between the top clubs and smaller clubs will just get bigger.
Removing the cap shouldn't be considered until more money is pumped into the league, which isn't going to happen until the RFL get their collective fingers out and do something about it. So in other words, the cap will probably be here for good.
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| Quote: Orrell Lad "Stoking up wage inflation!! SL wages have deflated year after year in real terms since the cap was introduced, are our players not worth a bit extra £££ ?!'"
Although Salford claim to be able to spend the full cap, this makes 5 (perhaps 6) clubs, in a 14 club comp that are able to pay the full cap.
No one can deny that RL players earn every penny that they get and equally, nobody would begrudge them an increase but, that isn't the point is it ?
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| If you listen to the GMR interview , he said spend up to the salary cap , or exploit mechanisms available to him outside of that cap.
Is this putting the game into disrepute or ' telling it like it is ' ? He has asked two things , for Salford to overspend the cap temporarily &/or for the Salary cap to be raised in general .
his fellow director is Andrew Chalmers , ex Auckland Warriors and NZRL chairman, his CEO is Ed Farish , ex CFO of the NRL & Financial Director of Gold coast Titans . so I would say it's a good chance he's been given a good indication of what is actually going on.
The owner is new to the sport and has been outspoken , especially about the salary cap since pretty much day 1 .
Even as a Salford fan I don't agree with overspending the cap, it was put their for a reason . however if loopholes are being used in the present & in the past , if needs to be brought out into the open and discussed , just like the league structure is.
It sounds to me like he is being outspoken to do just that, bring the subject into discussion . before the torches & pitchforks are handed out ..
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