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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Don’t take any notice fevfan. And don’t let him tell you Leeds is well managed....
Leeds has, relatively speaking, been a let down to the game of RL. With its potential in the game, Leeds Rhinos should now have a ground with a bigger capacity, better facilities and a bigger average crowd.
It was said above that the Leeds team owns its own ground. But he told us previously that Headingley is owned by a guy called Paul Caddick. A guy whose first love is RU. He runs a pro RU club out of Headingley. And I guess you don’t need a bigger ground for that!
We were also told that Leeds Rhinos makes a profit of about £600k a year. They shouldn’t do that – they should spend that money on developing Leeds Rhinos – and just aim to break even each year. Note though, that in the RFL rules, Leeds Rhinos is the only member club that’s listed has having TWO owning companies – Leeds Cricket, Football and Athletic Club Ltd and Leeds Rugby Ltd!! I hope the £600k a year that rugby league is said to make isn’t siphoned off to help prop up Leeds’ RU club!
Franchising all but killed off the game in the pyramid below the top 8 clubs. Amazingly though, there are still some strong clubs in the 2nd tier. Once the new structure is up and running, just watch the whole game go year on year!
Leeds should jack in the RU distraction and concentrate on rugby league like Featherstone (a club that really does own its own ground) does.'"
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| What makes me laugh is how certain fans of SL teams on here keep contradicting themselves. They claim the licensing system was good because teams could come up and build steady without having to worry about relegation.
Yet say its wrong that championship team in the new structure if promoted shouldn't just look to build gradually and build a team int he first season capable of remaining int he top four of the 8 after the split.
There's no difference to me other than the team getting promoted has actually already got a team capable of competing with the bottom half of SL because they have just proved it. rather than a team with a rich backer and nice rented ground getting promoted from sixth place.
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| its not that said team shouldnt build gradually, its more that they cant. Its also that it means that the money the promoted team receives has to go straight in to the first team, every thing else, for ever more takes a clear 2nd place.
Featherstone have many hurdles to overcome before being anywhere near sustainable and competitive in SL. Their academy, their stadium, their fan base, the commercial and merchandising operation would all need massive improvements. It is infinitely more difficult for them to do that when the focus of the club is entirely on not finishing in the bottom 4.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "its not that said team shouldnt build gradually, its more that they cant.'"
of course they can. teams can theoretically go from 100k to 550k to 1.8m funding, seems more gradual than 100k to 1.2m as before. It's all up to the people running clubs, not the structure
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| Quote: robt90 "of course they can. teams can theoretically go from 100k to 550k to 1.8m funding, seems more gradual than 100k to 1.2m as before. It's all up to the people running clubs, not the structure'"
and they go from competing with clubs spending next to nothing, to competing with clubs spending £1.8m (while they are still on £550k funding) to clubs spending even more.
The jump between the bottom of the 2nd tier and the top of the top tier is as big, if not bigger, under this funding/salary cap structure, with the added instability of a bad run of 8 games could see your funding drop by £1.3m (which is about what SL clubs get right now in TV funding) and the accompanying massive scaling back that would make necessary.
This structure will bring clubs like Fev closer to the bottom SL clubs, but it will take the bottom SL clubs much much further away from the top SL clubs which would leave us with that massive disparity where Fev or Leigh's sole focus is putting together a side to win 5 of the last 8.
It makes any blooding of youngsters, any investment in infrastructure entirely secondary, as no risk with the £1.8m could be taken meaning we just see huge numbers of average overseas and spent players filling out bottom squads, and if a club were relegated, the little they did focus on infrastructure and youth development would be redeployed to getting back up and covering the £1.3m less funding.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Winning 5 of the last 8 doesnt sound much different to winning the last 3/4 games as Leeds have done recently, with any play off system you could say much of the regular season is pointless
Oh and by the way, where did Chris Hill drop down from? , before going back to SL?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "
Would we have two thriving semi-pro sides in Wales if not for the leg up Crusaders gave the game there?
In 2008, Celtic Crusaders ceased to exist
In 2009, Crusaders finished bottom, in 2010 they finished in the playoffs, in 2011 they ceased to exist
Franchising was working.'"
We might have if the RFL had thrown shedloads of development cash into those places as they did in Bridgend
And I've just filled in the missing ' history '
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| Quote: Starbug "Winning 5 of the last 8 doesnt sound much different to winning the last 3/4 games as Leeds have done recently, with any play off system you could say much of the regular season is pointless '" No you couldnt, the season+play-offs work entirely differently to a structure where the first 22 rounds are completely and utterly disregarded and a new 8 game season started.
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| Quote: Starbug "We might have if the RFL had thrown shedloads of development cash into those places as they did in Bridgend
And I've just filled in the missing ' history '
the 'history' you have added isnt 'missing' its just entirely wrong.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA " It is infinitely more difficult for them to do that when the focus of the club is entirely on not finishing in the bottom 4.'"
You have completely missed the point again. They don't need to not finish in the bottom four, Finishing in the bottom four for 2 seasons wouldn't be a problem as long as they were good enough to come in the top four of the eight split. Fev get next to no money currently and have a youth set up, they run as many teams as superleague teams do. So if they can put out academy sides with no funding why would they scrap it with extra funding.
I trust the board at featherstone, I know the chairman and hes not daft. If we can cope on nothing in the championship I have no doubt us and other champ teams could cope financially in SL, certainly better than some of the current lot have
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "No you couldnt, the season+play-offs work entirely differently to a structure where the first 22 rounds are completely and utterly disregarded and a new 8 game season started.'"
So you play 23 games to get the chance to win something, as opposed to playing 23 games to get the chance to avoid losing something
Sounds similar to me
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "the 'history' you have added isnt 'missing' its just entirely wrong.
So Celtic Crusaders didnt cease to exist? , so where are they now?
So the Crusaders didnt cease to exist? , so where are they now?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "No you couldnt, the season+play-offs work entirely differently to a structure where the first 22 rounds are completely and utterly disregarded and a new 8 game season started.'"
dont start that tripe again. your the only person who thinks that
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| Quote: fevfan76 "You have completely missed the point again. They don't need to not finish in the bottom four, Finishing in the bottom four for 2 seasons wouldn't be a problem as long as they were good enough to come in the top four of the eight split. Fev get next to no money currently and have a youth set up, they run as many teams as superleague teams do. So if they can put out academy sides with no funding why would they scrap it with extra funding.
I trust the board at featherstone, I know the chairman and hes not daft. If we can cope on nothing in the championship I have no doubt us and other champ teams could cope financially in SL, certainly better than some of the current lot have'"
and again you keep forgetting, possibly deliberately, that right now Fev have to try and be the best of a bunch of semi-pro sides who also get 0 funding and they were comfortably beaten by an SL basketcase. Under the new structure they will be competing with sides that get just over 3 times their funding, and if they get through that, they will be competing against teams who get three times the funding and probably three times the attendances, much much more in corporate and sponsorship.
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| Quote: fevfan76 "dont start that tripe again. your the only person who thinks that'"
the first 22 rounds are disregarded, thats not an opinion it is a fact. Every team will start again on 0 points.
And it is different from a play-off which you need to qualify for, and the position that you qualify in effects your route to the final. Again that isnt opinion it is fact.
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