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Quote: SmokeyTA "I don’t get where this idea that Leeds have been terrible comes from? Had we not suffered that huge injury list for a month or two over may/june where we lost 3 out of 4 games we would be up there with Wigan, Wire and Hudds challenging for top spot yet apparently everyone bar Peacock has been rubbish.'"


Other than Peacock, who has had a stand out year at Leeds? I've been to nearly every game, and can safely say the team have coasted for large parts of the year. Yes they've still won plenty, and had the odd good performance, but mostly, they've taken advantage of how poor the strength in depth of the league is and taken things fairly easy. They've done enough, without having to perform at a high leel week in, week out. I think that's why players from other teams who need to bust a gut week after week are taking the plaudits for Dreamteam selection. The likes of Crooks, Lineham, Brough, Lunt, Houghton, Ferres, Kirkmomd etc can't afford to have a few weeks of mediocracy as the team around them need them firing every week, otherwise there is a good chance they'll be turned over.

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And Crooks, Lineham, Houghton, Kirmond have been turned over a large number of times. There is no way on earth that Crooks has been a better player than Watkins or Moon this year. He may have over-performed compared to expectation but he simply hasn’t been up to their level. Houghton has had a good year, but he isn’t a patch on James Roby and hasn’t been this year even though Roby has missed some through injury. There is a performance/expectation issue going on here.

If Jamie Peacock has been the only player to drag Leeds to where they are right now (taking in to account where they could have been) then he would be the clearest winner of the MoS in the history of the award, he is, pretty much single handedly, the 4th best team in SL, That is pretty much what we are saying here, that 36 year old Jamie Peacock is the 4th best team in SL.

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Quote: Superted "I'm a little surprised at how many people have selected Moon.'"


Quite a few marginal calls, this was one of them. Tbh I had Crooks & Watkins in my original selection, I was just looking for a left sided centre. Surprised Mickey Paea doesn't appear in many of the teams here, the stand out prop this year imo.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "Well it appears that the World's Best Winger has fallen from grace. Only 1 poster (and a Hull fan at that) has picked Hall. I can only think everyone else is basing their selections on current form, because on that basis he wouldn't be anywhere near the team.'"


Tell me a Super League winger that's had a better year? Tom Lineham's gone well for us but I don't believe he should be in the Dream Team. I think Ryan Hall suffers from his own quality. People are expecting him to score tries with wonder finishes week-in week-out but it just doesn't happen. He's been above average for the year.

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Quote: Awesome Aquinas "Tell me a Super League winger that's had a better year? Tom Lineham's gone well for us but I don't believe he should be in the Dream Team. I think Ryan Hall suffers from his own quality. People are expecting him to score tries with wonder finishes week-in week-out but it just doesn't happen. He's been above average for the year.'"



Josh Charnley has had a much better year than him for a start.(Not for 1 second saying he's better than him btw)

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Quote: Superted "Other than Peacock, who has had a stand out year at Leeds? '"


From the games ive seen on Sky, the pack have been superb. That's why we don't notice them as easily.

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I'm not saying Crooks is a better player than Moon, but I think he's been more consistent that Moon.

For me, Dreamteam selection should be based on performances throughout the season, not just who is actually the 'best' player in that position - it's about rewarding the consistent performers. If you just wanted to choose the team based on ability, then clearly Leeds would have alot more players in the team.

As it is, the only Leeds players who have been consistently good throughout the year are Hall, Watkins, Peacock and Delaney. And I'm not saying the rest have been poor, but they don't bust a gut week in, week out.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "And Crooks, Lineham, Houghton, Kirmond have been turned over a large number of times. There is no way on earth that Crooks has been a better player than Watkins or Moon this year. He may have over-performed compared to expectation but he simply hasn’t been up to their level. Houghton has had a good year, but he isn’t a patch on James Roby and hasn’t been this year even though Roby has missed some through injury. There is a performance/expectation issue going on here.

If Jamie Peacock has been the only player to drag Leeds to where they are right now (taking in to account where they could have been) then he would be the clearest winner of the MoS in the history of the award, he is, pretty much single handedly, the 4th best team in SL, That is pretty much what we are saying here, that 36 year old Jamie Peacock is the 4th best team in SL.'"


Watkins is currently England's best centre, but you are underestimating Crooks' performances this year with your 'no way on earth statement'. Crooks has almost scored as many tries as Watkins and Moon combined this season, he has more try assists than either of them, made more tackle busts, more clean breaks, more metres per carry and has made more tackles. He's also missed more tackles (although not as a percentage vs. Watkins) and made a couple more errors.

He's played consistently well all season irrespective of age or expectation and people are justified in selecting him for this years dream team.

Watkins is a great talent and will start at right centre for England, but based on this season's performances Crooks isn't far behind.

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Quote: barham red "Lineham wont get the young player award, crooks must be nailled on for that.'"

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Quote: WarriorWithin "Josh Charnley has had a much better year than him for a start.(Not for 1 second saying he's better than him btw)'"


Oh aye Josh Charnley has. I just meant in terms of gaining the second wing jersey in the Dream Team. Charnley and Hall have been the best two widemen this year.

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Quote: Superted "Other than Peacock, who has had a stand out year at Leeds?'"
When I've seen Leeds this year, Delaney has been a beast.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "When I've seen Leeds this year, Delaney has been a beast.'"


I like Brett Delaney. He seems to be very consistent for the Leeds side. I think they do miss him when he's out.

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Quote: Awesome Aquinas "When I've seen Leeds this year, Delaney has been a beast.'"


I like Brett Delaney. He seems to be very consistent for the Leeds side. I think they do miss him when he's out.'"


Delaney has been great for Leeds in fairness - he turns up and does the same job week in, week out. He's a great example of making the most of the abilities he's got. The only reason I didn't pick him was that I think the 2 I chose have had a more 'standout' year - but Delaney is a firm favourite of mine - unfortunately his body is starting to show the strains of the amount of work he does - he'll need a good rest in the off season.

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