The Vials were apparently in a toilet cistern at a ground that 40 odd teams have used in recent times.

Lost of rubbish will be put in the media before the truth comes out.

I hope the clean Clubs look at taking legal action for the unfair insinuations that have been put forward this week.

You used to be innocent until proven guilty, not seeing much of that so far in this story.

Those last gasp victories we've been doing since 1908? Get your hand off it...

you are right, this does raise questions about how long the Aussies have been cheating for.

1982 - Great Britain 0–3 Australia*
1984 - Australia 3–0 Great Britain*
1986 - Great Britain 0–3 Australia*
1988 - Australia 2–1 Great Britain*
1990 - Great Britain 1–2 Australia*
1992 - Australia 2–1 Great Britain*
1994 - Great Britain 1–2 Australia*
2001 - Great Britain 1–2 Australia*
2003 - Great Britain 0–3 Australia*

*Ashes awarded to Great Britain due to widespread doping within the Australian game.

This news of widespread Australian doping certainly raises huge questions as to the legitimacy of their international results against us over the years. For decades, it had been assumed that GB (and now England) were rubbish in comparison to the superhuman Aussies who handed out all those routine thrashings, but it now appears we were squeaky clean and superbly gifted all along - a successful international dynasty thwarted for years by a serial bunch of organised drug cheats.

It is to be hoped that all of our previous international defeats against Australia are removed from the record books and I would urge the awarders of the Golden Boot to re-evaluate their decisions over the years in order to redress the balance in our favour. Sir Kevin Sinfield can then be recognised as the best player in the world in 2001, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2012 with a 100% win record against the Aussies in Tests (1 win but 14 losses now scratched from the records) whilst being narrowly pipped by the Worlds Best Winger Ryan Hall in 2011.

not sure about urine, but there was a stack of s**t in wakeys dressing room last weekend

on a serious note, i'm sure that the investigation will have some hard facts that we will get to know about in time. one thing worries me though that is, is this the tip of a worldwide iceberg? are we about to find out that a lot of the sports we love and have grown up with as kids are bent as a nine bob note? or is it on a much smaller scale?

Lets hope its not been big in the SL over the years. We shouldn't kid ourselves that it hasnt been in our game.

I agree to a point. I just dont think there is the level of 'boundry pushing' or sophisticated systematic use of such drugs in Super League.

I would think that any transgressions in SL would be of more traditional PEDs

Well HGH has only recently been detectable in drug testing hasn't it? So you knows how many have used HGH in the past.

Two articles that I think are worth reading. www.theaustralian.com.au/news/be ... 6573915069 www.bordermail.com.au/story/1289 ... nds/?cs=12

Two articles that I think are worth reading. www.theaustralian.com.au/news/be ... 6573915069 www.bordermail.com.au/story/1289 ... nds/?cs=12

"That's my beef with this - if we've got the drug problems we've had, well, what's the drug agency been doing? We pay them a lot of money to come into our sport. We made a lot of compromises for them to come into our sport. And now they're telling us we've got a problem. I can't detect it, I've got no means to do that. We employ them to do that." - Wayne Bennett

Being a personal trainer with a particular passion for sports conditioning and knowing several pro strength & conditioning coaches and rugby league players - they have all told me they know first hand that growth hormone use is widespread. Without them telling me its still obvious, look at the huge amounts of muscle mass some players over here have gained in pre season, its just not possible to maintain that throughout the season and have the time and energy to play in and recover from games, but many do maintain it. That's not protein shakes and maintenance strength training, its steroid and growth hormone use. There is no other explanation.

Quote: Buggo "You used to be innocent until proven guilty, not seeing much of that so far in this story.'" Absolutely right. But... ASADA over here regularly test players in and out of game time, including visits to training, games, etc. They can come anytime, anywhere. If you refuse to give a sample, you are "presumed" to be hiding something. Here's the current anti-doping policy. www.rlpa.com.au/content/nrl-anti ... olicy-2013 If you're an athlete and want to know what is currently banned, so you genuinely don't take the wrong headache tablet etc. download WADAs app which gives you the full list of substances.

Quote: Buggo "You used to be innocent until proven guilty, not seeing much of that so far in this story.'" Absolutely right. But... ASADA over here regularly test players in and out of game time, including visits to training, games, etc. They can come anytime, anywhere. If you refuse to give a sample, you are "presumed" to be hiding something. Here's the current anti-doping policy. www.rlpa.com.au/content/nrl-anti ... olicy-2013 If you're an athlete and want to know what is currently banned, so you genuinely don't take the wrong headache tablet etc. download WADAs app which gives you the full list of substances.

I was relating to the blanket coverage that all sports are drug using cheats that has been in the Australian media, if they are not. they are match fixing, if not that they are connected to organized crime.
How much Mud can they throw without showing some facts and evidence.