They would need a stadium 25k bigger than any stadium in existence today, the need a stadium nearly twice as big as Wembley, They would need a stadium as big as the MCG and Old Trafford put together. And they would need to fill it every single game.

A per capita comparison is just nonsense when you are comparing one place with another which is about 20 times bigger. Its like the USA saying they are failing as an economy because per capita wealth is so much lower than Monaco.

Maybe we should put a team in Notton and then we can cheer about how brilliant and wonderful we are and how important Notton is to the game because 50% of the population go watch them, We can take all the money that 400 people pay to the bank and see if it will pay for a professional team?

They be bailed out like Bradford.

smokey , read it again

Before we start your doddering old man impression Starbug, read it again.

That sentence doesnt say that 'in Cas RL is more important' it says 'RL in Cas is of far more importance' those things dont mean the same thing. If you read the whole sentence that might have been apparent to you.

Even if Wrencat meant 'In Cas, RL is more important' then that statistic still isnt really evidence, but it is completely irrelevant to this thread.

To magnify the arguement, if everybody in a particular area takes part in an activity, then the activity in that area is important to them.
If nobody in an area takes part then, clearly that activity is unimportant to them.
In Castleford RL is a major part of what goes on in the town and , per capita of population which is about the only way you can compare interest in connubations of differing szes, then , yes RL is more important in Cas, or to the people of Cas than it is in SOME other areas IMO.
You of courese are entitled to your own opinion but your own opinion is just that, fortunately you dont have a voice for the sport as a whole.

The extension of your argument then is, If this per capita calculation is correct, then it assumes that not only is nobody outside Castleford attending, nobody will. And whilst the per capita figure is relatively high, it is only that way because Castleford are operating in a much much smaller market, and as such have much much less potential growth, and it leaves them in a position where if they were to look to compete with the big boys, they would need between 1 in 2 and 1 in 3 people, in Castleford attending every single week. Which is clearly an unrealistic target. You are then left with the unavoidable conclusion that Castleford cant, and wont ever be able to compete, and that this level is probably their peak as their market is pretty much at saturation.

However Castleford fans will tell you that they don’t only attract fans from Cas, that there are areas outside of Cas which they can and do target and their potential isn’t limited because of Cas’ relatively small size because Cas’ market isn’t only the relatively small town of Cas. Which would make your per capita figure nonsense.

Is that similar to comparing one sport with another......Lets say Football with Rugby League.

I've read enough drivel from you on nearly every thread you have contributed to. Can someone please point me in the direction of the Blocking Facility on here.......Sweet Jesus!!!!

I am getting all confused now.....
SL is growing attendances and getting more money from Sky, below SL is dieing and is forced to play its best games on a Thursday on a channel few watch for no TV income. The RFL has managed to get in on the government Freebies to paper over the cracks, the freebies are being reduced and the RFL's payment to the clubs is already down 10% to £90k when the SKY deal is increasing. The RFL's income in comparison to the RFU is pitiful. We can compare RL to Soccer for losses but not for structures, eg P&R, we cant compare Soccers ability to attract stupidly rich benefactors who are willing to put in hundreds of millions to fund their hobby. Sky viewers are on the up as they are for the other major sports, is that due to increasing numbers of subscribers?, The Championships are removed from Sky and Championship RU is introduced, despite some decent viewing figures especially for GF and NRC final which hit PRU levels. RFL cant get a sponsor for its flagship, yet nobody else has that problem. RFL stops its non SL clubs being ambitious by removing P&R yet Soccer and RU, even Cricket, can see the benefits of it and have no issues attracting sponsors with RU accelerating crowd growth at club level far greater than RL. Alex's Dad provides worrying facts that he is willing to show that half of the SL clubs are in a similar position. Then we see below SL is to become a feeder comp to support the removal of academies

All in all I believe the running of RL in comparison with its primary competitors over the same period is poor and lacked honesty and values in its dealings with non SL clubs. I believe we can and should be doing much better, but that the incumbants are incapable of making the sport the best it can be.

You have been from the start.

Mo, that's how he gets the discussions to stop, baffle with bullthing.

Now we are almost in agreement. The only way that Castleford can grow significantly as a club, is to attract large numbers of supporters from outside their local area.
This could of course include more substantial numbers of away supporters, they dont all have to be Cas supporters, only people who are willing to pay to watch RL at the Jungle.
However, this doesnt change the status of the club within Castleford itself and as I suggested earlier, because a higher proportion of the towns folk turn up to watch their team, this does make the club more important to the town of Castleford, which going back to the title of the thread, it would be a major loss to the town, should there be any terminal problems with the club.
I very much hope that Steve Ferres was using scare tactics to encourage the faithfull to buy their S/T's and not warning everyone of any more significant problems.
Although the ground may not suit some, in this modern era of RL, it's a great place to watch a game !

I know that, you know that and I even think he knows it too.

I pray as the cold draws in and the knackers contract that even he can see things for what they are, maybe we should refer to him as Canute.

It does completely disprove the use of the per capita statistic. Castleford fans would already argue that they attract people from outside the town of Castleford, meaning that per capita statistic you are using is wrong because the market Castleford have isn’t simply Castleford, but other places around it. They will tell you, not everyone who supports Cas, is from Cas, just like not everyone who supports Leeds is from Leeds, not everyone who supports Wakefield is from Wakefield. That being the case a per capita statistic doesn’t work because you are including people from outside Castleford and your statistic isn’t proof a higher proportion of people from Cas attend Cas games (though this would be flawed when compared to other places anywhere) but it is a statistic which shows that compared to the population of the town of Cas, Cas Tigers have a higher attendance. It would be a loss to any town to lose there club.

Though sadly not to enough people, as is being proved. That’s why Cas need a new stadium, not because people like shiny things, not because of any snobbish attitude to ‘traditional grounds’ not for any other reason than fewer people will attend grounds like Wheldon Road because of the facilities and more people will attend a better stadium, ergo, Cas need a new stadium so that more people will attend, they can get more money and their position will be less precarious.

Though they will then have to put up with the flatcap vested interests telling us Cas haven’t really improved attendances they have just got a new stadium and the extra people going are just a mirage.

In Castlefords case, where you appear to agree that a large percentage of the "locals" are already attending games, a shiny new stadium may not acheive the "bounce" in numbers that some of the other new grounds have managed.
Btw, do you think Mr Ferres is using "scare tactics" or, do you think that they may have more significant problems ?

I think they do have problems, I think they always had problems. They are small town club, with a small market. Whilst they can and do attract people from outside Cas, so do other clubs, and they are competing with them for it. They are competing with Wakefield for a lot of fans, they are competing for a generation of people who grew up in a city called Wakefield, for whom the 5 independent towns mentality is a relic of the past. If Wakefield continue their current upward curve, that is only going to make Castleford a progressively more difficult sell. There is no real reason why a kid from say Normanton, or Knottingley are going to choose to go to Wheldon road to watch a struggling Cas, when they can pretty easily get to a brand spanking new facility in Stanley and watch a successful Wakefield.

Similarly why are kids from towns in Leeds like Methley or Garforth going to have an affiliation with Cas and not the City they are from (Leeds) or Wakefield?

Ferres is right, Cas are in a precarious position, and there isn’t a quick fix, and there isn’t a silver bullet for their problems. They have some difficult choices to make, do they try and continue as an SL club, if so, how realistic are those plans? Do they run the risk of failing and going kaput? Do they soldier on? Do they have a plan to go from where they are now, which they clearly aren’t happy with, to where they want to be? Would moving down a league be the best thing for them? Is the time right for a serious discussion about the M word?

These are the difficult questions Cas and their fans need to answer honestly, So yes, I do think they have real problems but I don’t think they are necessarily immediate or specific.