This thread is quite funny. Incorrect figures and calculations being thrown around, and to top it all off we are working out per player.

RFL spin city here some of you come.

looking at the BT site, you can get a package starting at £25.50 a month, which includes ESPN. Sky Sports is an extra charge of £15 or £20 for both channels. Phone line rental is £15.45

So you can get, broadband, TV (incl. Sky) and phone for approx. £60 - which is similar to the amount I pay on Virgin currently.

Good post bro.

I gave up on BT and went to Sky. My BT was effectively Freeview plus ESPN plus Sky Sports 1 and 2 (I think they don't get them all due to a dispute).

And as much as I enjoy football, I wouldn't be paying BT for the odd game with my own team, and Stoke v Wigan or some such. I suspect fewer people will than they think, too.

Great post with some very valid points. I can't help but feel that the RFU have followed in Formula One's approach to taking more money but neglecting the fact their TV viewing figures will be greatly reduced. I'm currently envious of domestic Union having ESPN, Sky and ITV showing games live and in a highlights package their potential audience is prosperous.

It is massively more. And it's only for their premiership. Not internationals, not Heineken cup, (correction - not in first year), etc.

I accept all the usual bleating about the disadvantages we face in getting deals comparable to RU, but a) this is nothing to do with Internationals, and b) we need to learn something instead of making excuses.

They can only sell what they're given to sell. RFL can't say "we hired IMG, so now we take no blame for anything". If that's all you have to do, then my mum might as well run the RFL, all she needs is the list of sub-contractors and a telephone.

It's £27m a year for SL, Championships & Challenge Cup compared to £38m a year for Aviva Premiership & Heineken Cup. Hardly an earth shattering difference, especially given the difference in costs.
And you're right it's nothing to do with internationals, as Internationals aren't included in either deal.

Factor in the playing and coaching squads of 20 Championship clubs, and you have evened it up

The TV money SL clubs recieve is enough to cover competitive squad in SL imo (1.32mil - 1.69 mil are the figures used on this thread) £1.5mil would be the average. Gate receipts, shirt sponsor, kit manufacturer, other sponsors, corporate money, grants and merchandise should be enough to cover staff wages and all other day to day cost imo as long as your chairman/CEO knows what he is doing so why clubs are reported to be on the edge of bankruptcy is beyond me.

It does make you wonder, doesnt it?

A simple formula would be to only spend 90% of your previous years income, any surplus could then be spent on marketing your club to increase turnover and therefore potential increase in spending

It shouldnt be hard should it , then again my club made a profit when playing in SL

Rugby Union is massive in the UK - or at least the perception is. They call it "Rugby" on telly but they always mean Union.

League is a small northern sport which has a big final on the BBC once a year - Eddie Waring used to commentate on it, as well as It's a knockout.

They call it rugby in Oz as well, they call games they care about Footy or Cricket. So let em av it, we'll be Footy or League!

OK first point on this is that the criticism of the RFL of our deal is harsh. We signed ours a year ago. BT won't bidding for sports then, so the RFL were restricted in asking for larger payments. BT are new on the game and are a HUGE company, they have just as much money to throw at sports as SKY, they will be investing a lot money and will be prepared to lose a lot of money at first to get customers signed up. They need marquee sports to get people signed up and will pay over the odds for it. Also what happens when two people want something? They start bidding for it, meaning the RFU could keep putting the asking price up. RFL didn't have this.

Second point, now BT look big players, that will put the RFL in a good position when the next contract comes up for renewal as SKY know how big SL is to them and now they have genuine competition, out contract will increase.