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| Quote Wigan’s powerful prop spilled a pass near the opposition try line and was clipped by the forearm of St Helens’ Lance Hohaia.'"
That can't be the same incident that many Wigan fans at the time described as a deliberate forearm smash of such savagery, that it warranted the retaliation meted out by Flower? Shurely some mishtake... |
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| Are Wigan fans still carrying on with this 'Hohaia started it' nonsense  |
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| Quote JonB95="JonB95"Are Wigan fans still carrying on with this 'Hohaia started it' nonsense
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They are, and oddly enough he wouldn't have got a ban after the game if he was without blame.
I find it amazing that lots of other fans bleating that Flower is the devil incarnate but not a thing about players like Hardaker and Minchella who are welcomed back into the Leeds team without any real punishment despite a "nasty assault" activity in somebody's home in the early hours of the morning. There's been a moment of criticism of Chase for his recent play and very little about his jaw breaking skills with a very clear unprovoked elbow against lower division Featherstone.
The mock outrage and subsequent punishment by the RFL was and still is overly exaggerated for a moment of seeing red.
Flower received death threats for Christ sake! Is this really how the fans should treat players of The Greatest Sport? |
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| Quote goobervision="goobervision" The mock outrage and subsequent punishment by the RFL was and still is overly exaggerated for a moment of seeing red.
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Although I agree with much of your post, Flower fully deserved a long suspension. Not for the first punch, but for punching the head of a defenceless man already prone on the ground. Had it happened in the street and caught on CCTV, he would have expected a custodial sentence. |
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Although I agree with much of your post, Flower fully deserved a long suspension. Not for the first punch, but for punching the head of a defenceless man already prone on the ground. Had it happened in the street and caught on CCTV, he would have expected a custodial sentence.'"
Yep.
First punch = a bit of biff. A warning to those pesky halves to sit down and shut up ya girl. A sin bin from the ref and a commendation from the PFU.
Second punch = Total no no. It's not tough to do that. Definite red card & definite very long ban. He was lucky to get only 10 games for it. I'd have added another 3 or 4 on.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump""A few missed tackles" doesn't begin to describe BOTH sides' almost non-existent defence. At times I felt like I was watching the Rugby League equivalent of the French army capitulating en masse before Guderian's Panzer armies in 1940.
Tiredness after an intensive Easter schedule can only go so far in explanation. After all, busy Easters are nothing new. Yet compare with the bone-crunching defence that was a regular feature of Wigan-Warrington games not two or three seasons hence.
Far too many sides have seemingly given up on expansive play [ibased on a solid forward foundation[/i. Instead of setting up a platform teams are now skipping that stage entirely and pinging the ball left and right as though it were radioactive and prolonged exposure might result in instant death. Consider the absolutely diabolical stats posted by the entire Wigan front row at Leeds where players such as Tony Clubb managed no more than three of four drives in EIGHTY MINUTES.
I mean, sure - it makes for an entertaining game - especially when neither side seems capable of defence. But what happens when you suddenly meet a side that doesn't miss tackles - as was the case in the WCC? Or - more importantly - the Grand Final, where Wigan couldn't make so much as a yard down the centre channel against Saints' big pack and even though their backs providing forward momentum they very rarely looked like scoring against a committed defence which didn't leave yawning gaps for players to romp through with nary a finger laid on them.
In any case, for a side committed to giving their backs every opportunity Wigan have blown a remarkably large number of chances already this season. Consider the early game against Widnes in which they blew countless opportunities whilst seemingly cruising - only to then go on and lose the game. It's all well and good celebrating "thrilling back play" - providing the backs are dotting the Is and crossing the Ts. After all, eighty yard breaks which result in the linesman's flag being raised don't put any more points on the board.
It's ironic that precisely at the time when we really do look like we've turned the corner in terms of junior development - pragmatic, tactically sound rugby seems to have gone completely out of the window. I really do fear just how many bad habits these kids are picking up currently.
If anything we seem to be reverting to the very same kind of "unprofessional" rugby which landed us in our current and interminable predicament against Australia.
I couldn't agree more. How many mistakes does this kid make? And we're not just talking mundane errors. He really does seem to be taking a leaf out of the Francis Meli school of spectacularly cataclysmic blunders. I fear he is getting way ahead of himself joining the NRL at such a young and inexperienced age. The Australian competition really is not the arena you want to be joining if you are defensively suspect. If he makes half the errors he has so far this season they'll bust him down to the lower leagues so fast his head will spin. And once you pick up the kind of tag that Francis Meli was saddled with it's practically impossible to shake off.'"
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| Quote Cbr1000rr="Cbr1000rr"Fantastic defence from the saints tonight'"
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| Quote Cbr1000rr="Cbr1000rr"Fantastic defence from the saints tonight'"
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"At times I felt like I was watching the Rugby League equivalent of the French army capitulating en masse before Guderian's Panzer armies in 1940.'"
Don't you mean "in the first 40"?
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump""A few missed tackles" doesn't begin to describe BOTH sides' almost non-existent defence. At times I felt like I was watching the Rugby League equivalent of the French army capitulating en masse before Guderian's Panzer armies in 1940.
Tiredness after an intensive Easter schedule can only go so far in explanation. After all, busy Easters are nothing new. Yet compare with the bone-crunching defence that was a regular feature of Wigan-Warrington games not two or three seasons hence.
Far too many sides have seemingly given up on expansive play [ibased on a solid forward foundation[/i. Instead of setting up a platform teams are now skipping that stage entirely and pinging the ball left and right as though it were radioactive and prolonged exposure might result in instant death. Consider the absolutely diabolical stats posted by the entire Wigan front row at Leeds where players such as Tony Clubb managed no more than three of four drives in EIGHTY MINUTES.
I mean, sure - it makes for an entertaining game - especially when neither side seems capable of defence. But what happens when you suddenly meet a side that doesn't miss tackles - as was the case in the WCC? Or - more importantly - the Grand Final, where Wigan couldn't make so much as a yard down the centre channel against Saints' big pack and even though their backs providing forward momentum they very rarely looked like scoring against a committed defence which didn't leave yawning gaps for players to romp through with nary a finger laid on them.
In any case, for a side committed to giving their backs every opportunity Wigan have blown a remarkably large number of chances already this season. Consider the early game against Widnes in which they blew countless opportunities whilst seemingly cruising - only to then go on and lose the game. It's all well and good celebrating "thrilling back play" - providing the backs are dotting the Is and crossing the Ts. After all, eighty yard breaks which result in the linesman's flag being raised don't put any more points on the board.
It's ironic that precisely at the time when we really do look like we've turned the corner in terms of junior development - pragmatic, tactically sound rugby seems to have gone completely out of the window. I really do fear just how many bad habits these kids are picking up currently.
If anything we seem to be reverting to the very same kind of "unprofessional" rugby which landed us in our current and interminable predicament against Australia.
I couldn't agree more. How many mistakes does this kid make? And we're not just talking mundane errors. He really does seem to be taking a leaf out of the Francis Meli school of spectacularly cataclysmic blunders. I fear he is getting way ahead of himself joining the NRL at such a young and inexperienced age. The Australian competition really is not the arena you want to be joining if you are defensively suspect. If he makes half the errors he has so far this season they'll bust him down to the lower leagues so fast his head will spin. And once you pick up the kind of tag that Francis Meli was saddled with it's practically impossible to shake off.'"
Defender makes poor read , attacking player scores shock!
In all my years of watching RL I'm sure this has happened before even to the best of players , and it will happen again.
Remind me, how many points did wire score in total? Someone must have been doing some defending at some point then?
Remind me how many hit ups the great Mose made v Leeds last night? I bet he's on far more money per carry than Clubb is. |
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Wane is irresponsible and was totally at fault for the incident happening in the first place. He wound them up so much with his 110% aggression approach that it was inevitable that as soon as they started to lose the forward battle (And the did massively throughout the entire game) their players would snap.'"
Err... What?
You're saying that Ben Flower snapped because they were starting to lose the forward battle after two minutes (two minutes in which the other side never had possession)? |
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