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| Clubs will offer season tickets extensions after the first 23 games, I reckon season tickets will increase for the first phase of the comp as the initial cost outlay will be approx 20% cheaper.
The season ticket extension for the bottom 4 in tier 1 will drop off but I reckon the top 4 tier 2 will rocket knowing they will have a pathway of promotion against the non qualifying superleague teams.
So in reality the season becomes a 2 stage one with the 2nd phase being an optional one.
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| What will be the format of the Magic Weekend? 2 more games in 2016?
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| Quote: Him "According to the RFL Policy Review Document from September it'll work like this
So, if I am reading this right, it's theoretically possible that the 4 bottom Superleague clubs could all be relegated in one season if the Championship clubs finish 1 to 3 in the middle league and the fourth one wins the sudden death match? (Not that I would ever expect this to happen though).
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| Quote: Rhino at work "So, if I am reading this right, it's theoretically possible that the 4 bottom Superleague clubs could all be relegated in one season if the Championship clubs finish 1 to 3 in the middle league and the fourth one wins the sudden death match? (Not that I would ever expect this to happen though).'"
Great innit
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| I think I get it, but to be honest I don't care.
Probably best just to wait for the fixture list and see what happens next year. It's a ridiculously over-complicated system to decided two simple issues;
- who wins the league, and
- promotion/relegation.
That's RL all over though, isn't it. Great game made complicated by morons who run it.
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| Quote: Iain "Being a Salford fan I've rarely had cause to pay much attention to the top 8. How often has a team in say 7th or 8th with 7 games to go managed to finish in the top 4 (as would be required here to have a crack at winning it)? Is there a danger of those teams simply having 7 meaningless games in the Superleague Playoffs?'"
If you look at 2013 Hull KR who finished 8th were 9 points a drift of Wigan in 4th place. Realistically how could a team turn around a 10 point swing over just 7 games to make the 4? Personally I'd start afresh after the regular season ends. The only advantage for finishing top 4 should be just an extra home fixture.
In the 2nd tier there is no advantage between finishing 9th or 12th so why should there be one for the top tier?
I agree with everything else but this.
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| Quote: Wirecutter "If you look at 2013 Hull KR who finished 8th were 9 points a drift of Wigan in 4th. Realistically how could a team turn around a 10 point swing over just 7 games to make the 4? Personally I'd start afresh after the regular season ends. The only advantage for finishing top 4 should be just an extra home fixture.'"
Wouldn't that put us back to literally where we are now? Once a teams safe in the 8 there's no incentive to carry on, and sacrificing a home game for 4 - 5 weeks to rest your squad and prepare for the 7 games is something a lot of teams would take.
Saints finished in 5th 2 points behind Wigan this year. Had the two forms continued saints would of finished in the top 4 instead of Wigan (potentially) meaning in this system you wouldn't be able to afford a slide like Wigan had towards the end of the season before the playoffs.
Realistically, do you deserve that much of a chance if you are 8th after 23 rounds?
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Wouldn't that put us back to literally where we are now? Once a teams safe in the 8 there's no incentive to carry on, and sacrificing a home game for 4 - 5 weeks to rest your squad and prepare for the 7 games is something a lot of teams would take.
Saints finished in 5th 2 points behind Wigan this year. Had the two forms continued saints would of finished in the top 4 instead of Wigan (potentially) meaning in this system you wouldn't be able to afford a slide like Wigan had towards the end of the season before the playoffs.
Realistically, do you deserve that much of a chance if you are 8th after 23 rounds?'"
I'd put more emphasis on prize money on the place a team finishes in the regular season. For instance finish a couple of places lower and it hits the clubs and the players in the pocket. Perhaps the RFL should look into the prize money with less prize money for the Play-Offs and more for league positions finishes?
The play-offs should be for the prestige and the Championship should be for the allocation of prize money!!
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| Quote: Wirecutter "I'd put more emphasis on prize money on the place a team finishes in the regular season. For instance finish a couple of places lower and it hits the clubs and the players in the pocket. Perhaps the RFL should look into the prize money with less prize money for the Play-Offs and more for league positions finishes?'"
Take away emphasis on the playoffs and the season ends with a damp fizzle instead of a bang, as clubs have had their pay day.
Also, prize money of any significance requires the league to have sponsors and that's a whole other story
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Take away emphasis on the playoffs and the season ends with a damp fizzle instead of a bang, as clubs have had their pay day.
Also, prize money of any significance requires the league to have sponsors and that's a whole other story
The Grand Final is about the prestige. Tell me any club, player or fan who wouldn't want to be there regardless of the prize money?
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| Quote: Wirecutter "The Grand Final is about the prestige. Tell me any club, player or fan who wouldn't want to be there regardless of the prize money?'"
The same can be said about the challenge cup. The challenge cup is about "prestige" but would you want your club to sacrifice league position for the sake of it? Even more so if that league position determines the clubs ability to bring in new players.
I'm not saying people don't want to get there (just like people want to get to the challenge cup) but it would make the emphasis on finishing as high as possible, so the playoffs/ grandfinal will generally be competed by burnt out teams and make it feel like an after thought. Which would dampen the end of the season.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "
Realistically, do you deserve that much of a chance if you are 8th after 23 rounds?'"
Should a team that finishes bottom in Superleague have the same chance in tier 2 as the 9th placed club who have just missed out on the play-offs?
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| Quote: Wirecutter "Should a team that finishes bottom in Superleague have the same chance in tier 2 as the 9th placed club who have just missed out on the play-offs?'"
Nope.
I believe there should be various advantages (not playing a championship club in round 1 and playing 2/3 of the home games they have against the sl teams are two advantages they should receive off the top of my head)
Whether this will happen remains to be seen. I can't even find whether they'll play super league scoring (2 points a win 1 a draw) or championship (3 points and bonus points)
But regardless 2 wrongs don't make a right
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| Just imagine this scenario. Leeds Rhinos have a catalogue of injuries during the regular season and finish 8th. Leeds are 10 points behind 4th place but now have all their star players back for tier 1 fixtures. They then win all seven games, are the form team but still don't make the 4. Surely we want the best 'in form' teams in the play-offs?
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| Quote: Wirecutter "Just imagine this scenario. Leeds Rhinos have a catalogue of injuries during the regular season and finish 8th. Leeds are 10 points behind 4th place but now have all their star players back for tier 1 fixtures. They then win all seven games, are the form team but still don't make the 4. Surely we want the best 'in form' teams in the play-offs?'"
We want the best teams over the course of the year. Without becoming even more convoluted and complicated, the way to do that is having the teams who won most throughout the year. There's no other way to determine whether the Leeds team with no injuries would of faired any better in the previous 23 rounds. Teams can only play what's in front of them etc. so the teams with the most points compete.
I personally really like the top 4 playoff, it's clean, simple, rewards those who are consistent throughout the year and keeps a bit of mystery. And no club call ... Everything is better with no club call.
Wasn't there something similar to that a couple of years back with Wakefield winning the last 9 games of the season to try and get into the playoffs?
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