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Quote: William Eve "Does anyone seriously believe there were over 78,000 in attendance at Wembley today?

Seriously?
I'm surprised that you didn't count the empty seats and do the maths d040.gif

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Will the club wembey seats be counted if they shown up or not?

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Quote: ISpeaksProperEnglish "Will the club wembey seats be counted if they shown up or not?'"

The Wembley "Ring of Indifference" wasn't the main problem today. It was the huge swathes of empty seats elsewhere that were the problem. Many of those must have been counted too!

78,000+ in attendance? Yeah, right icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Shoe Shine Johnny "When I was a kid in the 1980/90s going to Wembley was like this 'new exciting world' . I rarely went to other parts of the country (or abroad) and I would imagine it would been a ritual for thousands of RL fans from the north. There was no London team in the top division then, no trips to the South of France and no Grand Final. The Challenge Cup was the only chance for a 'big day out'.

This year I have been to London 15 times, France x2 Edinburgh x 2, Denmark, Sweden, USA, Italy, Dubai, Hong Kong.... (blah, blah) you get the picture.

The Challenge Cup final does not mean the same to kids growing up as it did in my generation. It is important yes, but we live very different lives now. We also have World Cup games at OT, Wembley, Cardiff etc, as well as the GF It is a much harder sell to an audience that is all to quick to pour scorn on RL (while professing to love it at the same time).'"

Spot on. The world has changed.

William has liked to compare 1985 to this year, so here it is:

1984/85 Premiership Trophy Final - 15,518
84/85 Lancashire Cup Final - 26,074
84/85 Yorkshire Cup Final - 25,237
84/85 John Player Trophy Final - 25,326
84/85 Challenge Cup Final - 97,801

Total - 189,956

2013 World Club Challenge - 20,400
2013 Magic Weekend - 30,793 & 31,249
2013 Challenge Cup Final - 78,137
2013 Grand Final - ? but assume its roughly similar to last season, say 70,000

Total - 230,579

So an extra 40,000 people attending big RFL club events this year than in 1984/85.

The average attendance for Division 1 in 1984/85 was 4,751 compared to even Williams calculation of the current 2013 average of 8,500.
The club with the highest average attendance in 1984/85 was Wigan with 10,784, compared to Leeds currently with 15,165.
The club with the lowest average attendance in 1984/85 was Workington with 907, compared to London currently with 2,213.

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Quote: Him "Spot on. The world has changed.

William has liked to compare 1985 to this year, so here it is

Total - 189,956 <---------- 191,956

2013 World Club Challenge - 20,400
2013 Magic Weekend - 30,793 & 31,249
2013 Challenge Cup Final - 78,137
2013 Grand Final - ? but assume its roughly similar to last season, say 70,000

Total - 230,579

So an extra 40,000 people attending big RFL club events this year than in 1984/85.

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Translation:
1984/85 season = 191,956/5 games = 38,391 average
2013 season = 230,579/10 games = 23,058 average
% decrease = -39.94%

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Quote: William Eve "Translation:
1984/85 season

Let's make it simple
1984/85 - three major finals attendances (99,801,15,518, 25,326) total 140,645 average 46,881

2013 - three major events WCC, CC & GF (20,400, 78,137, 70,000) total 168,537 average 56,179

Increase in average for 2013 19.8%!!

Those pre SL days were so great, you can make the stats say anything if you are as selective as you. The 99,801 will have also been a made up number - I see you omitted to discuss the general attendances, does that not suit your argument? Maybe it was just RL was in a decline in the 1980's is that it?

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Quote: William Eve "Translation:
1984/85 season
That's very poor William, it really is. You'd find a lot more sympathy to your core argument if you didn't do this sort of silliness.
I, and I'm sure many people, agree with you on several areas, especially the Internationals, but its when you try this stuff that you lose support. Your attendances thread is a great example.

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The Rugby league world is so upset about Wigan winning their 19th Challenge Cup that they have resorted to doing stats like our very own Phil Clarke.

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Quote: Him "That's very poor William, it really is.'"

So you weren't comparing total attendances at 10 fixtures in 2013 with total attendances at 5 fixtures in 1985?

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Quote: William Eve "So you weren't comparing total attendances at 10 fixtures in 2013 with total attendances at 5 fixtures in 1985?'"


Still ignoring the league attendances I see - why is that I wonder?

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Quote: Odem "The Rugby league world is so upset about Wigan winning their 19th Challenge Cup that they have resorted to doing stats like our very own Phil Clarke.'"


Oh dear.

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Quote: Odem "The Rugby league world is so upset about Wigan winning their 19th Challenge Cup that they have resorted to doing stats like our very own Phil Clarke.'"

Did you know that Wigan's home attendances are currently 7.85% down on last season?

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Quote: William Eve "Did you know that Wigan's home attendances are currently 7.85% down on last season?'"
but roughly 30% up on where they were in 1984/85?

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Quote: William Eve "Did you know that Wigan's home attendances are currently 7.85% down on last season?'"


Did you know Wigan's home attendances are currently up 46% on the 1984/85 season? Don't forget this is the same magical season you referenced that attracted 99,801 to the challenge cup final.

See, anybody can make up dodgy stats!

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Quote: William Eve "So you weren't comparing total attendances at 10 fixtures in 2013 with total attendances at 5 fixtures in 1985?'"

No I was comparing the 5 major club events that existed in 1985 to the 4 major club events that exist in 2013. Plus I was comparing the average attendance of the top division in 1985 to the average attendance of the top division in 2013.

If you'd rather we could strip out the events that didnt/don't exist in either time period. Which would give us:

1984/85
Premiership Final - 15,518
Challenge Cup Final - 99,801

Total - 115,319

2013
Grand Final - let's even say a dip from last year, say 65,000
Challenge Cup Final - 78,137

Total - 143,137

That's nearly 30,000 extra people watching the major events.
Isn't a dip of 20k in Challenge Cup Final crowds worth it in return for 50k extra at the Playoff final?
Even though, as pointed out earlier in the thread, the 78k is above average for a Wembley Cup Final.

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