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Quote: bren2k "Can one still buy a jacket like that in Hull? How quaint.'"



Yes, and within the next 10 years they'll be available in Ossett.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "Yes, and within the next 10 years they'll be available in Ossett.'"


Dont want em unless they're 2 for 1, we're tight in Wakey icon_wink.gif

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I think the fans of both Hull clubs are good, however seeing as though we are all lowlife scrotes who belong on the scummy underside of society Im going to say Wakefield fans are the best

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Huddersfield.

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Quote: BaldRick "Bradford ... Never had a problem with anything other than the bouncy castle man . Fans are always ok , and the St Johns hospitality is first class .

Cas ... No problems . Plenty of banter , but nothing more .

Catalans fans are always very well behaved . They do talk funny though .

Crusaders .. I can't fault them at all .

Hudds fans are always a pleasure to meet . Wether it is in the Skyrack or the Gas Club the colours on your shirt are not important to them . They don't seem to care at all . First-aid staff are more than competent . They are so efficient they get annoying . They won't leave you alone .

Hull FC .. I only have second and reports of bad behaviour . I have been among them when it got rowdy , but nothing more than a bit of drink related noise .

Hull KR ... Ooooohhh . Some can be a bit naughty . But no worse than most others . They ain't a bad crowd really .

Leeds .... Some proper numpties that can go overboard and get a bit loud , but they mean no harm .

Saints .. What can I say ... Not had a problem with them at all . Even when outnumbered 200-2 and me and my side-kick were getting worried about what was about to happen ... guess what happened ... they shared their beers .

Wakey .. Again .. No problems .

Wire .. Of the few I have met one was trying to smash his way into my car as I was sitting in traffic .

Wigan . I have been assaulted at THREE different venues by Pies fans . I'm sure the majority are really nice folk , but from my experiences I wouldn't put them at the top of my list of favourite supporters .

Did I miss anyone ?'"


Yeah, me and the other London fan!! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Cronus "Of course. And that's precisely why soon after it started growing they decided to drop the 'Ultras' name completely. As for the skulls, there may have been a one-off but I can't find any pictures of the skull imagery on flags - if you can post one I'd be most grateful. The main logo is a lion's head.'"


This one is the one I've seen a few times. There is a skull on the large horizontal barrier across the bottom of the picture and one to the left of the Brigantes banner towards the left. Perhaps these were binned when they rebranded?



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Quote: Saddened! "This one is the one I've seen a few times. There is a skull on the large horizontal barrier across the bottom of the picture and one to the left of the Brigantes banner towards the left. Perhaps these were binned when they rebranded?

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Well done. Like I said, I couldn't find any, but then to be fair I didn't look too hard.

The real point, however, is that you don't really have a point. Those flags are only two out of dozens displaying with other imagery and phrases. What is it about a well designed skull image incorporated into a Wigan-themed rugby flag that you seem to find so inflammatory? I suspect rather you're just trolling again. Either way, you're trying to make an issue out of a moot point. Just a couple of flags being waved amongst many; neither inflammatory nor intimidating.

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The ones that behave themselves, show respect to each other regardless of shirt your wearing and know something about the game. Every club has lots of them!

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Quote: Cronus "I'd be careful about labelling every trouble-maker at Wigan as part of the 'Brigantes' group. That group are nothing more than a collection of fans looking to make games more colourful and to improve the atmosphere. Despite what certain fans say, I've never, ever seen a balaclava at a Wigan game and they don't aspire to the violence of the 'Ultras' culture, just the loud colours and singing.

There are a couple of groups of youngsters following Wigan who cause the odd bit of bother and wear their colours, but that doesn't mean they're part of the Brigantes group. To be honest in over 20 years watching the club I've seen nothing more serious than the odd scuffle from home and away fans.

As for fans - every club has idiots, drunks and trouble-makers. True, some seem to have a higher incidence of trouble than others. The worst I've seen has always been at Warrington - but that's just my personal experience as a Wigan fan, and the welcome some groups of Warrington fans always seem to reserve for us. It also doesn't mean all Warrington fans are 'orrible b'stards.

A lot of it is down to personal experience. I've a lingering dislike for Leeds fans simply due to a tirade of abuse me and the Mrs received from a group of fans after the final whistle at the 2008 Elimination Final at Headingley, simply because I said, "good luck in the final mate" to a bloke I was stood near. I know some great Leeds fans but that stain has stuck.'"



I didnt label every Wigan fan a trouble making brigante, so why do I need to be careful ?

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Quote: Saville Row "I didnt label every Wigan fan a trouble making brigante, [sizeso why do I need to be careful[/size ?'"


because they will come and SORT YOU OUT.

because that's what the ultras do.....

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Quote: Cronus "Well done. Like I said, I couldn't find any, but then to be fair I didn't look too hard.

The real point, however, is that you don't really have a point. Those flags are only two out of dozens displaying with other imagery and phrases. What is it about a well designed skull image incorporated into a Wigan-themed rugby flag that you seem to find so inflammatory? I suspect rather you're just trolling again. Either way, you're trying to make an issue out of a moot point. Just a couple of flags being waved amongst many; neither inflammatory nor intimidating.'"



You are celebrating the wrong mythological heroes and should change your name to CYCLOPS. You are so one eyed.

First you say show me a picture with a flag and a skull then when you are proved wrong say, " who cares anyway".

In itself the brigantes is not a problem but may well become one.
It may attract the chavvy element, it may become targeted for blame ( either fairly or unfairly) and it may encourage copycats and idiots from other teams.

Other Wigan fans also share these concerns

The great thing about RL fans has always been a lack of overt tribalism like you get in soccer. Copying some of the worst soccer fans in the world is not the way to go IMHO

It is a simple point , easily understood yet you ignore it.

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apart from the mindless banging of a drum,ive still never heard the wigan brigantes at the DW so they cant be working that well in bringing atmosphere to the DW. but im sure they are good lads having a good time and as long as they dont cause bother then let em get on with their merry flag waving icon_smile.gif

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "because they will come and SORT YOU OUT.

because that's what the ultras do.....'"


Excellent, just what we need in a "family" game, I suggest you watch something with a round ball a026.gif

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Quote: Saville Row "I didnt label every Wigan fan a trouble making brigante, so why do I need to be careful ?'"

Because just as virtually every poster on this thread is saying, experiencing trouble from one fan from a club does not make all fans from that club trouble-makers, experiencing trouble from a couple of people you are assuming were members of the Brigante group (though, knowing a couple, I find that very, VERY hard to believe), does not make all of them trouble-makers.

Casting unproven aspersions on the name and the group risks damaging the reputation of what is, for the third time, nothing more than a group looking to improve the atmosphere at games, and who have done a great job.

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Quote: Durham Giant "You are celebrating the wrong mythological heroes and should change your name to CYCLOPS. You are so one eyed.

First you say show me a picture with a flag and a skull then when you are proved wrong say, " who cares anyway".

In itself the brigantes is not a problem but may well become one.
It may attract the chavvy element, it may become targeted for blame ( either fairly or unfairly) and it may encourage copycats and idiots from other teams.

Other Wigan fans also share these concerns

The great thing about RL fans has always been a lack of overt tribalism like you get in soccer. Copying some of the worst soccer fans in the world is not the way to go IMHO

It is a simple point , easily understood yet you ignore it.'"

I said find me one because I couldn't - and I wasn't at home so not willing to spend ages ploughing through pictures. I never said they didn't exist, and I have no issue with them anyway!

You say it 'may well become' a problem, 'may attract the chavvy element', 'may' this, 'may' that...what you're actually saying it that the Brigantes movement is actually not a problem at all, but they need to be aware of their wider perception and the behaviour of any hangers-on...in case of what 'may' happen.

They are fully aware of that, and that's precisely why they dropped the 'Ultras' name, and why they have open discussions and make decisions around this issue. Yes, it's a simple point, and one neither I nor they chose to ignore. As for the flags - they're just flags, doesn't matter whether they have skulls, lions, phrases or frikking Care Bears in cherry & white - they're there to add colour and atmosphere and they do a great job. They're not threatening or inflammatory. Don't try and create a problem where one (as you acknowledge) doesn't actually exist.

Frankly, any group creating a display of dozens of loud, bright flags and banners in their team colours, and who are vociferous, enthusiastic and lead much of the singing, will inevitably be compared with some football groups. But as we know, RL fans and football fans are (for the overwhelmingly massive majority), a different breed so let's not label them as bad guys when they're really, truly, not.

You want a RL group copying the worst soccer fans in the world? - try the Warrington Casuals. icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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