I have seen nothing from reed to suggest he's anywhere near international class. Playing in the nrl doesn't automatically mean your an amazing player. Wilkin is miles better than ablett. Astronomically.

I'd have Bridge, Watkins and Atkins (not in ETS) before Reed, but I didn't think he did too badly. Reed on Par with Yeaman, slightly above Welham and is better than Hardaker.

Reed is far better than Hardaker, Yeaman and Welham at this point!

Your right playing in the NRL doesnt make you an amzing player! But your not too shabby if you are a regular for Brisbane and play for the NRL all stars! Based on his performances for England against Australia and NZ, I see nothing that would put any english ahead of him! Forged a good partnership with Hall aswell!

With the exception of his kicking game Ablett is head and shoulders above Wilkin in every single attribute. Wilkin is massively over rated.

Abletts versatility has affected his development but I still think he is a better player than John 'we lost another GF to Leeds but it wasnt our fault this is my excuse....' Wilkin!
It was raining/there were cameras in the changing rooms/they were patting each other on the back after a big hit/one of there players was celebrating in front of his own fans/ they tackled our young players too hard!

Seriously ?

Yeaman is a good player but Reed is already better than him and was much more of a threat in the four nations last year.

Mossop, Lockers and Charnley only rated 3? Can tell your a Saints fan

Behave yourself.

Lockers is closer to a 5 than a 4.

Bridge and Reed only a 2!? both excellent centres.

I would look at the squad from a slightly different angle. We have 5 players who I think we can genuinely describe as world class who would be automatic selections if fit (the 5 category)

Graham
Burgess
Tomkins
Roby
Hall


Then a second tier who are top quality players who have played well at times internationally - The 4’s. I would certainly include Peacock and probably Morley in the class above if it were not for their age but I agree with many that we should be looking to the future. Ellis could be in the top group but hasn’t been outstanding internationally for the last couple of years

Westwood
Ellis
Burrow
Sinfield
Peacock
Morley
O'Loughlin


Then, a string of exiting young players who have the potential to be top class or even world class (interestingly, after a barren spell, most are outside backs. I guess we could potentially have Mossop in the list). They will be 4’s or 5’s if they progress

Widdop
Briscoe
Charnley
Jones-Bishop
Lomax
Watkins
Reed


Finally, the ‘wild card’ – we don’t know yet whether he will set the top flight international arena alight

Brough


Some good players in the rest but nobody to get really excited about

If the young outside backs progress as we hope and we keep our best forwards healthy there is the real opportunity to have a very good looking England team in the World Cup

Are we basing this on what we've seen just this season or in the past at International level or what?

Can think of a few players not selected in my opinion 4 rating on form anyway

Robbo?? Atkins??

And England knights players also on form at moment on 4 rating

Mossop is superb and will be the next England prop in the Morley/Peacock mould. Giving Lockers a 3 is an insult compared to some of your other marks . Charnley is a 4 now and will be a must in the England team if he keeps playing like has been, he is as good as Briscoe now and will be better the more he plays.

Bookmark this post if you want and we will see who is right in the future. I will be suprised if i hear from you again to be honest