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Quote: Starbug "
As predicted.

Quote: Starbug "The problem would be the fans. But if we'd never had conversions, and I came on here saying "How about after each try, you get a chance to kick a penalty in line with where you scored it?" there'd be plenty telling me it was the stupidest thing they'd ever heard.'"


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The crazy thing is appealing to tradition in a game that brought in limited tackles within living memory. We are the innovators, let's keep innovating.

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If the home side began at 0.5-nil up then we'd have more home wins which would be good for the competition and every game would have a positive result on the day, which would also be good for the competition. '"


What's wrong with a draw for the competition?! A draw can be really entertaining. Wigan have been involved in a couple this year and I didn't think at the end of those "Ooh that's a bad result for the competition"

The draw today with Hull and Saints was very entertaining to watch and having Hull win by 0.5 wouldn't have made it a better match to watch.

Maybe I'm just not understanding when you say "better for the competition" because if you say it makes it a better spectacle, therefore making the competition seem more attractive I don't think it will make it more attractive than a draw would personally. And if you mean gifting the home team 2 points for the win instead of dropping 1 point for the league standings, I don't think gifting points to teams would increase the competition either.

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Quote: af "I can prove that people don't like draws - it's the only time the hooter at the end of a close game is met with a groan from all sides of the ground. People came to see a result on the day, and this would guarantee them one.'"


I dont think that draws are causing attendances to drop. They happen rarely anyway and if you have equal points scored on the day, then surely you should take an half of the points.

The excitement that can be caused when a team are chasing the game to try and get back points could be lost, because they knew even if they were to score, they wouldnt get anything anyway.

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It couldn't be used at the Magic Weekend or some internationals due to neutral venues.

And if it can't be used for every game in the season it won't be used at all.

Personally I like draws anyway icon_biggrin.gif

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Or the way round where you could score a 6.5 point try at home ?!

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I agree with Starbug.

What is this obsession with desperately needing a winner? Both teams have 80 mins to score points. If one team can't score more than the other then neither deserve the win. A draw is a fair result.

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I can prove that people don't like draws - it's the only time the hooter at the end of a close game is met with a groan from all sides of the ground. People came to see a result on the day, and this would guarantee them one.'"


See my post above. but I can prove that people enjoy them too.

Leeds vs Wigan this year - I definitely didn't walk away from the ground groaning because we drew the match.

Hull vs Saints - when Foster kicked that penalty not many Saints fans looked like they were groaning because they'd just drawn level and would probably take a point from the match.

You might get fans groaning because they hadn't won the match after being in front (which would be exactly the same if they'd lost the match as well by the way) but the fans of the team that have equalised to get the draw wouldn't be moaning.

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What's wrong with a draw? While the game itself may be entertaining, the conclusion is unsatisfying for many. I don't think it has a big impact on attendances, but given that this solution is free to implement, I don't think the size of the impact has to be great for the change to be worth making.

Really, this is an equivalent to the away goals rule in soccer, a rule introduced for entertainment driven purposes and one seldom if ever questioned now. You might not like it being term as half a point so let's put it another way. The home side starts with the points. The away side has to get them off them by beating them. If they can't do that, the points stay with the home side. Of course, I say points, we would only need a point a win in this system.

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If a fan buys a ticket for a game, they are entitled to see a result that day. We are missing a trick when we fail to market our games as one-off contests as well as contributing to the league campaign.

Not a total fruit loop on this - the ockers obviously see what I see, they just haven't thought of as good a solution. MM is a problem though - lowest placed finishing side designated as home team perhaps? Especially if it remains the opening round. Then the advantage of drawing a lower placed side than you in the extra fixture is partially negated.

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Just what have people got against draws? A RL game is 80 minutes. If you can't win in that time then you don't deserve to. You might as well play first to 40 wins or something.

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Quote: af "The crazy thing is appealing to tradition in a game that brought in limited tackles within living memory. We are the innovators, let's keep innovating.'"

I understand the limited tackle, even remember the 4 tackle option but what you are suggesting is just 4ckin daft.

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Not so daft. Soccer uses an effective half goal for the side that scored the most away goals, cricket similar with the Ashes - Strauss's side only had to match Australia to keep the trophy, thanks to the achievements of Vaughan and a number of different players. If this is such a daft idea, we'd be seeing better arguments against it. Only one I can see is that too many fans will irrationally hate it because they're Luddites. icon_smile.gif

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there is no risk/reward issue with it. That would be my issue. It requires no skill, no ability, nothing.

I think we would be better looking at opportunities for more/less points to reduce the number of draws, For example 3 point conversions than 0.5pt handicap for the away side.

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