Hock hasn't been an exceptional player for almost 3 years. He's got tremendous ability but but he can't be relied upon on or off the field, and just how often has he ever performed well in a big game for club or country? At 31 years old I think it's time to move on.

I do wonder what has happend between Macnamara and Brough for him to be overlooked , he's the best SH in the SL for all the reasons you highlighted, he would never be scared of getting in the face of the Aussies either, I'm not sure what Brough has to do to get a game TBH

I think Atkins needs another chance at international level also

Why would you want to replace Sarginson on today's performance? Or are you thinking of dropping Calumnous Watkins to make way for Atkins?

Fair point on exceptional player to exceptional abllity and there is no doubt that he can not be relied on but many Wigan fans would disagree with his big game performances and he defo has played well for England

I though Sargison went well today and he's had a great season, he defo deserves his place in the team

Watkins looks excellent for Leeds, I think we have some one that could potentially play in the NRL if he keeps developing. He just seems to look a too nervous in internationals, time and experience will sort that I have no doubt

Ideally I'd have Jack Reed (when he back from injury) and Atkins
I do think its time to try Atkins again now

I would think that after today's game it would most definitely be Jack Reed and Daniel Sarginson.

3 match test against the Kiwis has been arranged I believe.

For next game sargenson should retain his place, had a really good game, and has been impressive all year. I have always thought Farrell was a little over rated but don't think he has done anything wrong so far in the series and deserves to retain his place. Joel Tomkins for me should drop out of the team for whitehead.
Not been that impressed with our half backs. Been ok but the much rated widdop has hasn't been great at all. I personally would drop him, put Sam Tomkins there and hardaker to full back

Brough whilst a very good player would not have the great impact in the England side as people seem to make out, its almost as if he's the reverse scapegoat. Brough has got a tendency to go missing/throw his toys out when the going gets tough (probably a reason none of his sides have ever won anything, aside from a CC 9 years ago.)

The halves for England are doing a very good job.

They're certainly a big step forward from our halves for the World Cup!

Dissagree about Brough going missing, there's no evidence for it at all, LLS winners
MoS winner, Albert Goldthorpe winner twice in 3 years

He'd have a huge and positive impact on the structure of the England team and would pose a major threat to the Aus and NZ line

I cant see Smith being dropped now. He seems to fit the tactic that McNamara wants to play - slow and steady, play out the sets and get a kick in at the end i.e. the tactics that we played the 2nd half with yesterday that didnt work.

When we moved the ball around and got a quick play the ball we got on top. Tomkins at half back with Hardaker at full back would be far more effective against the Aussies in particular.

I thought the halves against NZ in the semi last year were the best we've had in a long while. Now Sinfield has retired I think Smith is the nest best thing and he is proving that.

All the things you mention borough winning are for over the season performances, when it came to the big games in all of those seasons his side lost, and Brough failed dot shine.

Anyway its all totally irrelevant and as I say I think its an easy and safe thing for people to say Brough is the saviour has everyone knows this will never be proved wrong or right.

I vividly remember him going to Headingley at least twice during the LLS season and comprehensively outplaying all of Leeds halfbacks including Sinfield, McGuire and Burrow. He was close to being voted Lance Todd winner for Hull FC just pipped by Cookes match winning try. He destroyed Leeds at Belle a Vue when playing for Wakefield including running down a breakaway Rob a Burrow over 60 metres.

Urban myth, this Brough can't pkay in big games line

We lost that Semi Final on the back of two terrible decisions by one of the halfbacks you think we're the best we've had in a long while

Look you're kind of proving my point, Brough has never stood up when its counted, he's won a CC medal 9 years ago. Show me another big one off game where he's come out on top?

Oh and on that you might want to check who won the Lance Todd Trophy in that game, I think you've got a little muddled up

I think Brough is a fabulous player and I wouldn't have any qualms with him being in the England set up, but it's not going to happen for whatever reason (and Brough is just as much to blame as McNamara IMO!) neither do I think he would make as big of an impact as people like to think.

Aside from a CC final 9 years ago when has Brough played well when it's really mattered? He's hardly ever been involved in a play off win, and almost every club he's ever played for has got shut of him after a couple of years... But, to me the fact that he threw his toys out of the pram and effectivly turned his back on England when he was told he'd have to fight for his place in the team says all I need to know about the guy.