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| Quote: SteveH "I have also noticed that a certain Gallifrean timelord also likes to refer to himself as "The Doctor" without any proof that he is either a medical doctor or has a relevant PhD in any accepted academic subject, let alone restricting it use use a respective academic environment! How dare he get away with this and on a national television show to boot!*
* The above rant makes about as much sense as most arguments on here make in relation to Marwan Koukash and his actual and/or reported usage of the term "Doctor".'"
To be fair to said gallifrean, he does have an advantage over marwan, in being fictitious and all that ...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "To be fair to said gallifrean, he does have an advantage over marwan, in being fictitious and all that ...'"
And most people make the "whoosh..." sound whilst simulating a jet going overhead to intimate that someone didn't get the point... for others it could just as easily be a London Underground tube train
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| Quote: Durham Giant "
... All the other Phd's i know do not use the title Dr except in very specific circumstances. When doing a CV for a job, publictations, lecturing / training. When applying for a bank loan or signing a court statement. NOt one of them ever uses it when booking a plane ticket to avoid being collared at 30,000 feet with a medical emergency.
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Booking an airline ticket is just about the only non job related situation where I would consider using the title Dr. It improves the chance of an upgrade. It can also be useful on a driving licence.
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| Quote: Red John "Yes. That absolutely [imust[/i be it.
Another way of looking at it is that during the process of freshening up the coaching staff - a process which involved speaking to Iestyn Harris with a view to him becoming assistant to Brian Noble - Marwan realised that Nobby's skills and experience could be better employed in a much broader role within the club, a role similar to that previously occupied by Graham Lowe, but with a broader remit.
He views this role as essential and so, as any competent businessman would, has a contingency plan in place in case Nobby declines the offer. The Manchester Evening News has speculated that this involves Tim Sheens.
Doesn't sound quite so daft when you express it that way, does it?'"
I said it made perfect sense to me. Who said it sounded daft? I mean, it obviously does to you, but...
I do see a flaw in your summation, though. Call me pedantic if you like, but should Nobby astonishingly decline the offer, that won't alter the possibly annoying fact that someone else has already been given his old job anyway.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
I said it made perfect sense to me. Who said it sounded daft? I mean, it obviously does to you, but...
I do see a flaw in your summation, though. Call me pedantic if you like, but should Nobby astonishingly decline the offer, that won't alter the possibly annoying fact that someone else has already been given his old job anyway.'"
I said it sounded daft. Because it does. Your inference that because Marwan (without evidence) thinks he's 'gash' at one job, he can't be suitable for another. Daft.
As for the flaw, it was more of a deliberate omission. I'm well aware of the implications for Nobby, but isn't it interesting that he [istill[/i hasn't just walked away? What does that tell us?
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| Quote: mapleyther "And of course you know what my net worth is and from whence my wealth comes - impressive.
Well if you can make uninformed statements about someone it's good enough for me.
You've now left me wondering why the Leythers struggled for all those years while you was sitting on all that financial knowledge and wealth. Ps I won't call you crazy I left that years ago in the playgrounds.
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| Quote: Red John "As for the flaw, it was more of a deliberate omission. I'm well aware of the implications for Nobby, but isn't it interesting that he [istill[/i hasn't just walked away? What does that tell us?'"
Well, one thing it [imight[/i tell us - in conjunction with the oft mentioned necessity of having his legal adviser present - is that he's considering a legal challenge to his dismissal. Simply walking away would weaken any case he [imight[/i wish to progress.
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| Quote: Red John "..Your inference that because Marwan (without evidence) thinks he's 'gash' at one job, he can't be suitable for another. '"
No, if there was an inference, that's not it.
Quote: Red John "...I'm well aware of the implications for Nobby '"
You are? Well, that's a relief, because I did wonder.
Quote: Red John ". ..but isn't it interesting that he [istill[/i hasn't just walked away? What does that tell us?'"
You thought a man with a lucrative contract might "walk away" from it? Why on earth would anyone with a brain do that? No, it is singularly uninteresting that he has not "walked away". If that told us anything, it would simply be that Noble is not an idiot.
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| Quote: Kosh "Well, one thing it [imight[/i tell us - in conjunction with the oft mentioned necessity of having his legal adviser present - is that he's considering a legal challenge to his dismissal. Simply walking away would weaken any case he [imight[/i wish to progress.'"
Sorry. By "walk away", I meant turn the new job down. Although that would effectively be walking away from the club, it surely wouldn't affect any legal case he wishes to bring would it? In fact, as the job he had has been given to someone else, I'd have thought accepting a new role in the same organisation would weaken his case, not strengthen it, so why not turn it down?
This is why I find it all a bit mysterious. That and the fact that Nobby was widely reported to have been on a rolling 18 month contract, and so could have been eased out of the coaching role in, what?, four months time? had Marwan indeed decided he was "gash".
I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
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| Iestyn Harris is the epitome of gash at coaching. His record is abysmal. Some people are just meant to be assistants.
It could be said, and who am I to discuss legal tactics, that "promoting" Noble to Director of Rugby or whatever isn't an end to the contract, so if Noble leaves it is a resignation, and thus attracts no compensation. Although I doubt that was in anyone's thinking.
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| Quote: bezzerscr "Well if you can make uninformed statements about someone it's good enough for me.
You've now left me wondering why the Leythers struggled for all those years while you was sitting on all that financial knowledge and wealth. Ps I won't call you crazy I left that years ago in the playgrounds.'"
Please inform me what has been uninformed about my comments?
Secondly, if the Dr. wishes to "invest" his money in a rugby league club, that's up to him. I am sure I will make more of a financial return keeping it in the bank, even at current interest rates.
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| Legally, Noble probably has a contract where his job is 'Head Coach'. By making someone else 'Head Coach' Salford/Mar have essentially 'replaced' Noble.....the offer of a different position/promotion is neither here nor there, because if Noble walks, he could quite easily claim constructive dismissal and demand payment for the remainder of his contract.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Legally, Noble probably has a contract where his job is 'Head Coach'. By making someone else 'Head Coach' Salford/Mar have essentially 'replaced' Noble.....the offer of a different position/promotion is neither here nor there, because if Noble walks, he could quite easily claim constructive dismissal and demand payment for the remainder of his contract.'"
It's not quite as straight forward as that though. Since Noble only joined Salford in 2013 he wouldn't be able to take Salford to an employment tribunal as he's not been there for 2 years.
He also, if he wants compensation, has to follow certain procedures as Koukash could put forward that it's merely a company reorganisation, as the position of Director of Rugby has been newly created. Many people have to deal with company reorganisations and changes of role etc without being entitled to walk away with compensation for constructive dismissal.
Noble has to make sure he does things the right way to get his compensation, he can't just walk and sit at home demanding money.
Our oh so wonderful Tory friends in Downing Street have significantly eroded employee rights sadly.
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| Quote: Him "It's not quite as straight forward as that though. Since Noble only joined Salford in 2013 he wouldn't be able to take Salford to an employment tribunal as he's not been there for 2 years.
He also, if he wants compensation, has to follow certain procedures as Koukash could put forward that it's merely a company reorganisation, as the position of Director of Rugby has been newly created. Many people have to deal with company reorganisations and changes of role etc without being entitled to walk away with compensation for constructive dismissal.
Noble has to make sure he does things the right way to get his compensation, he can't just walk and sit at home demanding money.
Our oh so wonderful Tory friends in Downing Street have significantly eroded employee rights sadly.'"
Or they've re-balanced the system so that it's no longer egregiously weighted towards the employee? The 2 year rule and the requirement to lodge a fee for an ET are very positive moves in my view. I think these are Vince Cable initiatives by the way, so not strictly Tory.
In this instance, I imagine that they're thrashing out the terms of a compromise agreement; the delays will be because Noble has the right to take legal advice, at Salford's expense, before he agrees to a mutual parting of ways.
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| Quote: Him "
It's not quite as straight forward as that though. Since Noble only joined Salford in 2013 he wouldn't be able to take Salford to an employment tribunal as he's not been there for 2 years.
He also, if he wants compensation, has to follow certain procedures as Koukash could put forward that it's merely a company reorganisation, as the position of Director of Rugby has been newly creted. Many people have to deal with company reorganisations and changes of role etc without being entitled to walk away with compensation for constructive dismissal.
Noble has to make sure he does things the right way to get his compensation, he can't just walk and sit at home demanding money.
Our oh so wonderful Tory friends in Downing Street have significantly eroded employee rights sadly.'"
Is he entitled to compensation, though? It can't be a redundancy because the role of Head Coach still exists. I don't [ithink[/i it can be construed as constructive dismissal because he's been offered another role, one which could be seen as some form of promotion.
I wonder if he's biding his time to see if another coaching opportunity presents itself. At an unnamed, struggling Super League club with an inexperienced coach somewhere in West Yorkshire, for example.
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