Just to clarify to Widnes fans, this was on another thread called "lucky Bulls" which mysteriously disappeared. It was basically "a so-called Widnes" fans calling the Bulls cheats, i was basically asking the question did he think his club "cheated" when they went into administration?

I've no problem with fans having the opinion we should be chucked out, but don't get this "cheating" argument from. Don't think i have ever heard a team in administration been called cheats?

Im not going to call anyone a cheat. Im also not interested in an argument. I think wackerchemic has used some inflammatory language that may have spoiled his point. Wether we brand it cheating or not, I believe direct comparison between the widnes and Bradford situations is erroneous, simply because both sides ended up in admin does not mean they did so due to the same circumstance. Widnes ended up in admin because Vaughn was a fraudulent Ba@%ard and was both siphoning of cash left right and centre and I believe using the club as a front for other dodgy business transactions involving overseas assets. On the other hand Bradford appear to have simply spent money they dont have, on a squad they couldn't afford, based on cuckoo cash flow projections and the frankly mental belief that selling season tickets for 20 pence made good business sense. Im not saying its cheating, im just saying the two situations are quite different.
I would also add, whilst i dont believe any team has a god given right to remain in superleague, the decision to give Bradford essentially a one year grace is the only viable option.

I would also add that anyone who truly believes the rfls decision to buy the odsal lease was entirely innocent has been smoking too much crack.

Just to clarify to every single Bradford fan on the planet (sarcasm) it was only one Widnes single fan who made any such point on that thread and it's rather interesting that a few posters have jumped on it to steer the issue in a different direction.

One fan making his own opinion does not represent every single damn one of us nor is his opinion unable to be seperated from the team he supports.

This is lazy, tiresome, predictable stupidity. I don't need clarification. Wackerchemic represents himself and only himself and he has a right to his opinion.

One fan. One. Think!

I thought i should mention it in case a Widnes fans thought i was having a pop at their club, as i didn't want it to turn into a Bradford Widnes thread d.

Artificially inflate their position how?

Crusaders imploded because they had shysters for owners. Twice. Should the RFL have spotted that? Definitely. In the case of the first owner they were specifically warned about him.

And yet they collouded with him, advised him how to circumvent visa regulations, tipped hundreds of thousands of pouds into his club via community grants

So what does that say about our leadership?

Ah, but all that happened before they were in super league so we are supposed to expunge it from their history or just be ignorant of it ever happening.

Remember they finished second in the league that year playing by the same rules and earned their place in super league, regardless of licencing criteria being weighted in their favour!

Should have just put them in super league, been up front and honest about it and not had to introduce the licencing farce we have now. Would have saved all this grief we're getting now

Just to clear this up.

My opinion is just that, not every other Widnes's fans opinion just mine.

As stated above by others my wording of my opinions came across badly.

I personally have nothing against Bradford or their fans, what really gets to me is the RFL.

It's all been said in the posts above about the RFL, they are corrupt for their own ends, the Crusaders debacle, players banned by customs for ?? years before they can set foot on our shores again, the investigation they promised WTF!! it never happened.

Yes I accused the Bulls of cheating, strong words that will get a reaction, perhaps they were the wrong words??

The Bulls did not have the money to do what they did this season & again in my opinion they knew this, but went ahead anyway.

These actions meant that clubs like Widnes, Cas Salford & Wakey could not compete for the signatures of some of the players the Bulls had this season.

Which means what, by spending money the Bulls didn't have they retained or signed players that the clubs that finsihed below this year could have had in their ranks. Am I making a reasonable point here??

Anyway I digress, IMO the Bulls knew where they were with money at the start of SL this season & also knew that if they had cut their cloth to match this that the playoffs were something they couldn't achieve.

It is also my opinion & mine only that the RFL led the Bulls up the garden path (RFL doing what they do best burying their heads in the sand) telling the Bulls don't worry about it we will help you out with money/cover up/hide what's going on/give you a grade B licence etc, after all we can't afford to lose the Bulls cos Sky wouldn't be happy. Then of course when they know you are going into the administration the RFL cover their tracks.

RFL = door handles & if the current incumberents are not moved on then RL will end up as a feeder league to union, just my opinion.

Yes.

rlFirst official confirmation of how Bulls' new owners have been punished and the club Hamstrung financially for the sins of the previous owners.rl

Or, alternatively, a measure to ensure that a club does not gain an unfair advantage by wiping off its debt ? Seems to me that the amount taken from the Bulls roughly equates to the amount of debt written off. You say the Bulls' new owners are being punished but, equally, why should they be allowed to gain an unfair advantage ? This seems to balance things out.

If the cash withheld equates to the amount advanced to the administrator then the new owners have benefited by inheriting a largely intact squad, which would most likely not have been the case had those monies not been advanced. Seems fair enough to me.

That article is all a bit flaky though.

OK, it mentions to £240k to the administrator, but also talks of a sizable chunk, don’t get me wrong that’s a fair few quid, but over two years is not big money in the scheme of things.

So, where has/is the cash the cash gone/going?

Putting my cynical hat on I would guess at the lease buy back, so come the next licence everything is hunky-dory.

whats more interesting is whats going to happen to the withheld funding. If its used to pay the creditors or goes into central rfl coffers then fair enough. If its given to the other SL clubs as extra funding then thats another matter. Could do with RFL clarifying situation.

I agree with the sentiment but the cold hard fact of the matter is that SLE can vote to distribute its revenue in whatever way it sees fit. The Sky money belongs to SLE not the RFL so if there was a majority vote by SLE shareholders to redistribute money among members then there wouldn't be much the RFL could do about it. It shouldn't happen, but it probably will just as in 1997 when Keighley, Hull KR, Workington and Prescot were all stripped of central funding due to being in administration and the money redistributed among SL clubs (guess which club proposed that motion by the way ?).