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| Quote Roofaldo="Roofaldo"It's strange that the main reason everyone says Bradford are in debt is due to them paying too much for players. But can anyone actually back that up with actual facts? Say an itemised wage bill for Bradford players? The fact is, with a salary cap in place like the one in SL there is a limit to what can be spent.
The board however may have spent more than may have been prudent, but it's likely that they were basing their budgets on getting play off football at the end of the year. A lack of which, and the extra income it generates, for the last 3 years will have likely accelerated the club to it's current point as the lack of quality in terms of the players in the side and the way they were coached/played had caused some disillusionment with the fans, causing a drop in attendance which has a knock on effect on the money the club had.
The cheap ticket offer was supposed to boost attendances and make up the short fall from the reduced ticket cost on other items in the ground (merchandise, refreshments etc). However, another poor season caused a less than stellar uptake in actual crowds meaning the gamble taken by Bradford didn't pay off. However, two seasons selling over 10k season tickets is not a bad achievement for any club regardless of the price and given the way Bradford have been playing this year it could be argued that, without the financial problems the club are now facing, a 3rd year of cheaper tickets could have seen the club break 11k or even 12k.'" First thing is that 11,000 fans @£60 is the same as 3,666 fans @180(about the norm in SL)
So again I'll ask did a lot of you state that it was bonkers and needed rethinking? Or did you all just think 'nice one' whilst having a dig at any other fans who dared to tell you all that the numbers didn't add up.
Are you saying that you don't think you spent more on your cap than you should knowing now how much you were bleeding money?
If so do you think that the debt fairy just flew over Odsal one day and decided to take a dump on you?
I'm sorry if the Bradford fans don't like it but them just holding their hands up and saying 'nowt to do with us it all the boards fault' as some have done when they have enjoyed better players than they could afford is rather rich.
That was why I mentioned Hull City in the premiership right at the start of my post as they in the same way as you are now were just paying for their enjoyment after the event instead of before it.
Also can anyone explain to me why the Bradford admin still hasn't started a fire sale to keep the club alive?
Surely the job of admin is to get the debts as low as possible so the company can continue as a going concern until a buyer is found unless I have it totally wrong.
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| Spot on AS, the Bradford fans have to look at themselves over this , stupidity isnt an excuse , both for the administration or the support base
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| Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"Out of interest why is the broncos owner covering 1.5million quid a year to keep them afloat. What's his motivation?'"
He is a big RL fan, but he is also obviously 100%, cast Iron insane, as he will never, ever, see a penny of his quite substantial investment to date, back.
When he walks, the club will vanish........he will spend another 4.5 million including this year, but he will spend it on the wrong things and when he does step aside, unless the RL community are willing to shake a bucket a la Bradford, or the RFL buy a ground for us, a la Bradford, or lend us money, a la Bradford, then that will be that for London's SL team.
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| Everyone is pouring cash and donations into the Bulls and as yet, they still have all of their "assets" in tact.
No player movements yet, which would bring cash into the club and at the same time reduce the monthly wage bill ?
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| I personally don't what all the fuss is about. We have a salary cap so why does clubs going bust and being restaarted really have to affect the playing or supporting side of the club. If a club is not in admin and is bought no one bats an eyelid, so why bother at anytime, seems rediculous to me
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| If Bradford really thought the reduced income from cheap season tickets would be made up by increased revenue in the ground then they're even stupider than I thought they were.
Cheap season tickets are supposed to be for the reason Huddersfield did it, not to raise revenue in the short term but to raise attendances and interest. I can't believe Bradford didn't realise they would take a financial hit from offering cheap season tickets.
Like AS, I'm also a little concerned as to why players haven't been sold and weren't sold pre-admin too. 300k for Bateman? That's a decent chunk of debt gone, or a decent chunk of next months wage bill paid.
This administrator doesn't seem very "independent", and if I was a creditor I'd be bloody furious right now.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"He is a big RL fan, but he is also obviously 100%, cast Iron insane, as he will never, ever, see a penny of his quite substantial investment to date, back.'"
Totally agree, good bloke and the sport is lucky to have him..just dont ask him to pick a Coach
Quote gutterfaxWhen he walks, the club will vanish........he will spend another 4.5 million including this year, but he will spend it on the wrong things '"
What was your plan again...£1.5million on marketing the Broncs over six yrs to raise the avg attendance to just under 5k....so you'll hit your 10k attendance rate(See: gutts cunning plan no:24343446) sometime in 2024.Maybe.
Quote gutterfaxand when he does step aside, unless the RL community are willing to shake a bucket a la Bradford, or the RFL buy a ground for us, a la Bradford, or lend us money, a la Bradford, then that will be that for London's SL team.'"
Tbf gf, Odsal isnt the only ground lease the RFL own and, despite bugsys protestations, we arent the only club who have had monies advanced.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"P&R failed for many more years than franchising has been in place. It will fail again if reintroduced now. Probably best to give franchising a chance before going back to a system that we know doesn't work.'"
Salford, Hull, Hull KR, Huddersfield, Widnes, Cas and Leigh have been promoted by right. All are in SL bar Leigh. Crusaders and Widnes won franchises, Bradford and Wakey kept franchises.
Personally I would say the facts do not support your argument.
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| I don't know if it has been said but on the BBC website it says clubs are split on Bradford staying in the super league
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| Quote cravenpark1="cravenpark1"I don't know if it has been said but on the BBC website it says clubs are split on Bradford staying in the super league'"
I would be very interested to know which clubs voted to keep Bradford in, and which didn't!
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| Quote Anakin Skywalker="Anakin Skywalker"First thing is that 11,000 fans @£60 is the same as 3,666 fans @180(about the norm in SL)
So again I'll ask did a lot of you state that it was bonkers and needed rethinking? Or did you all just think 'nice one' whilst having a dig at any other fans who dared to tell you all that the numbers didn't add up.
Are you saying that you don't think you spent more on your cap than you should knowing now how much you were bleeding money?
If so do you think that the debt fairy just flew over Odsal one day and decided to take a dump on you?
I'm sorry if the Bradford fans don't like it but them just holding their hands up and saying 'nowt to do with us it all the boards fault' as some have done when they have enjoyed better players than they could afford is rather rich.
That was why I mentioned Hull City in the premiership right at the start of my post as they in the same way as you are now were just paying for their enjoyment after the event instead of before it.
Also can anyone explain to me why the Bradford admin still hasn't started a fire sale to keep the club alive?
Surely the job of admin is to get the debts as low as possible so the company can continue as a going concern until a buyer is found unless I have it totally wrong.'"
And you've dropped straight into that little "All the tickets were £60" argument. £60 was the basic ground entry for the first year. The price went up for this year to I believe £85. But why let facts get in the way of your blindness. There were family tickets and tickets for the seating areas that were of higher value as well. But still, it was an idea to get people back into the ground, back watching the team because Bradford's crowds had been on the slide. It was a gamble that has seen the Bulls get bigger crowds back into Odsal. On that stance, the cheap season tickets have been a success.
The club has a history of success, the board knew that cheap season tickets alone wouldn't keep the returning fans coming back. A return to the successes of the recent past were needed. As such, the club were allowed under the salary cap rules to spend what they spent. They broke no rules in doing that. The budgets the club had were clearly set on reaching the play-offs and getting a cut from the prize money that generates. Failure to do so for the last 3 years has hurt the club financially and are likely a big part in being where we are now.
As for why the administrator hasn't sold off any players; that's probably because, at the moment, he doesn't need to.
As for that report on the BBC site. There's a direct quote on there that states it's the RFL's decision if Bradford stay in SL or not.
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| seems crazy situation "we need a buyer, someone to invest in the club, superleague, the game..... oh hi, thanks, here's the key new owner. Oh by the way we're relegating you out if sl."
New owners.. "er forget it "
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