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We could just shut up shop completely and reduce our impact on the environment that way icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Him "You misunderstand what I mean. I mean that pressure should be brought to bear on governments and industry to make the necessary changes.

However what often happens is that that responsibility is actually passed on to the public and the individual.

The governments and industries remain passive and simply say it’s up to the market ie putting the responsibility on you and me to massively change our lifestyles and put huge amounts of effort into researching which products, which companies, what kind of energy usage, what kind of transport means etc etc is environmentally friendly and then being able to use these instead of what is made widely available and more cheaply by the current market.

That will never work. Quite understandably most people don’t have the time for that or the knowledge or ability to do so.

So people should absolutely pressure governments and industries. But the responsibility for change should not be on the average person. Whilst we can all recycle etc as an individual we can’t ensure transport is made clean, energy, production of goods etc are made clean. But governments and industry can.

Good example being electric cars. Their sales are quite naturally limited because customers are concerned about the number of charging points, range, charging time etc.
So we should pressure government to work with the car industry and invest in a mass network of super fast charging points along with research into faster charging batteries etc.

The vitriol that was thrown at Emma Thompson for using a now standard and accepted method of transport was pathetic. That is not her responsibility. It’s the responsibility of governments and the airline and manufacturers to come up with better cleaner alternatives, not Emma Thompson.

The pressure is directed at the wrong areas of society. It’s currently directed at the people when it should be full square on governments and industry.'"


Fair enough. I did misunderstand your original post. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: bewareshadows "Your right global warming is down to nature. Nature made a species that has the capacity for a short period to live outside the laws of evolution.

The species has become so successful that it over populates, which leads to a shift in the balance of nature. However, Newton was no idiot and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Over population will be solved by nature being out of balance and reducing resources and environmental factors that would maintain the dominant species.

RL travelling or not travelling to Canada 15 times in a year will make no difference.'"


Some thought that the world was over populated in the 1800's when the total population was less than one billion. As a species we are pretty good at development and advances in science and technology.
The best way to reduce population is to let the rest of the world including Africa etc is to let them develop and improve their lives and use fossil fuels in this development.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "The best way to reduce population is to let the rest of the world including Africa etc is to let them develop and improve their lives and use fossil fuels in this development.'"


There are two ways to interpret this...

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Quote: Clearwing "There are two ways to interpret this...'"


Not sure what the 2 ways are?

I want all of the world to continue to develop specifically countries when compared to Western countries and have underdeveloped infrastructure, low life expectancy and poor medical resources.
Why shouldn't these countries be allowed to improve their living standards?
What is the other interpretation?

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "The best way to reduce population is to let the rest of the world including Africa etc is to let them develop and improve their lives and use fossil fuels in this development.'"


Some would argue that the continued burning of fossil fuels will indeed be an effective way of reducing the world's population. Starting with Bangladesh, various low-lying Pacific islands etc. It's certainly complicated. Raise living standards - which no decent person would oppose - might well reduce birth rate. The downside is that although the population might decrease, consumption and carbon footprint invariably increases with elevated living standards - and the aggregate is overall greater.

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Quote: Clearwing "Some would argue that the continued burning of fossil fuels will indeed be an effective way of reducing the world's population. Starting with Bangladesh, various low-lying Pacific islands etc. It's certainly complicated. Raise living standards - which no decent person would oppose - might well reduce birth rate. The downside is that although the population might decrease, consumption and carbon footprint invariably increases with elevated living standards - and the aggregate is overall greater.'"


Thats if you believe in the impact of carbon dioxide on the climate. What about the impact of the sun and clouds on the climate? What do you propose we do about them as they impact the climate significantly more than carbon dioxide?

Bangladesh has had floods for many centuries so what caused those before the industrial revolution? If Bangladesh had the resources of Holland which is also below sea level then maybe they could combat floods far better than they do now.

Nobody and I mean nobody in the world can predict the climate in the future and all this bs about carbon is just total utter bs

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Quote: bewareshadows "We could ban all away fans. Season ticket holders only. That would make for a cracking product.
Could start by kicking Catalan out of SL. They have only a car full of away fans, and their home games wont have the generous away support that they get, thus reducing the RL carbon footprint.

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Is it not time this was shut down now

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Quote: Someday "Is it not time this was shut down now'"


Aye. When people decide they're not going to commit to the death of the human race I imagine.

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British Rugby League always used to support a reduced carbon footprint by limiting the travel required by players & fans to games along one public transport network. It is only since the birth of Summer Rugby that they've dropped the ball by inviting sides from London, France, Cumbria, Wales and now Canada to play. The RFL/SL should hang their heads in shame.
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Quote: AXE2GRIND "British Rugby League always used to support a reduced carbon footprint by limiting the travel required by players & fans to games along one public transport network. It is only since the birth of Summer Rugby that they've dropped the ball by inviting sides from London, France, Cumbria, Wales and now Canada to play. The RFL/SL should hang their heads in shame.
LOCK IT!'"


You're not old enough to remember Barrow in the old first division then or Workington ??
There is history to the game pre SL icon_eek.gif

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IMF have proclaimed that governments should have taxes hikes for climate change. What a surprise, the IMF who have ransacked more countries than the ancient Goths whilst pretending to be helping them, want taxpayers to pay for this climate change hoax and not the fatcats they represent. Climate change used to be called Global Warming until they noticed the earth has been cooling down.

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