It was made worse because Burrows was caught well off balance, looking at the slow-mo though it looks like the thing that he'll get done for if anything is being late.

TBF IMHO it looks like Burrow's head hits the chest of Wilkes and not the arm or shoulder.

his arms are in front of him, it would be impossible.

hey mate, that rule regarding the kicker has been in place at least 2 seasons now in the nrl, not too sure why the rfl haven't brought it in yet!!

No it wouldn't. If you put your arms on your stomach, does that cover your chest? I'm actually sat here now doing it (sad I know) and my chest is still visible enough for someone to hit with their head if they ran at me. Your arms don't cover all of your chest unless you were popeye.

Far as I am aware the offence is contact to the head, so it doesn't really matter what the point of contact was!!

There is a faction, in our game, which confuses things like a prop barging in to a half back who has just passed the ball, a player throwing himself at a kicker, players kicking out at the ball as a try has been scored, lazy high tackles etc, with the hardness needed to play it, which comes from two props charging full pelt, full blooded tackles etc.

Id be happy to see things like that kicked out of the game, what Wilkes did wasn’t ‘hard’ it wasn’t what makes our game ‘tough’ I don’t want to pick on Wilkes, he isn’t a bad player or dirty player, im just using him as an example, but im all in favour of getting rid of these cheap hits from our game. Especially when it comes to scoring a try where the full back seems to have carte blanche to do whatever to stop the try being scored, you see some efforts from fullbacks which are barely mentioned which would be straight red further up the pitch.

first i would say that from his elbows you can see that his arms arent across his stomach, they are pointing upwards which would put it across his chest, on the second image you can quite clearly see his near side arm on his chest and i dont doubt some of the impact would be on the chest, but it would be luck of freakish proportions had he managed to fit his head exactly between his arms, they dont cover all of your chest but i think it would be difficult to fit two forearms and head in any chest (except maybe lola ferrari's)

But also, you must admit, it would be very very difficult for someone to headbutt your chest without first impacting the arms you have across your stomach.

I thought at the time that if Wilkes was guilty of anything, it was of being a touch late; I thought the same after I watched it back when I got home, and those clips have just confirmed it.

I expect he'll get 1 match as it's the offence du jour, but it's clear that this is a storm in a topical tea-cup.

Are you actually watching the same clip?

Which forearm are you suggesting does the damage? His left? Not possible. The elbow is down by the waist and the arm is diagonally across the chest. The head is above the arm. The right forearm - also not possible. The right elbow is also too low, the arm tucked in and besides the head is too far away.

Despite what you think you're seeing, the position of the elbows are the determining factor and the forearms simply go into the Burrow's chest. His head actually impacts just above the 'V' formed by Wilkes' left arm, into the chest/shoulder. No elbow or forearm impacts the head at all.

Finally, there is only one impact. You're watching it vastly slowed down. All you're seeing is the impact followed by his head moving up Wilkes' shoulder as the collision follows through.

I really don't know why I'm arguing - the pictures speak for themselves when watched together. If you think you see a guilty forearm in one clip watch the other and it is ruled out.

Wilkes found guilty, 1 match

Webb pleaded guilty, 2 matches.

All sounds pretty much spot on from what I saw, just a shame Webb wasn't sent off at the time as he should have been.

Yeah I thought that, Wakey didnt need it in the end, but if they had lost I can imagine some ppl being disappointed if they thought that Leeds deserved to be down to 12 men.

I suppose in the grand scheme of the game it didnt make a difference in the end though.

Mcdermott took him off probably to prevent that from happening. I think I speak on behalf of every one who is connected with the Super LEague (including Leeds Rhinos) but thank you very much for the memories Brent but now is the time to simply go away with a capitol F Off!

Is he taking Wilkes with him? Big tough prop, delivering cheap shots on half backs after the ball has gone? Just what the game needs.