Myler came from the widnes academy, not the salford one, he was playing first team for widnes when they went t!ts up.

Perhaps true then but certainley not true now and the number of overseas players is decreasing year on year, which will lead to a larger talent pool on british players. If given time.

Indeed Pyeman, at times this season Huddersfield have fielded a starting 13 that was made soley of british players, and I think a full 17 that had no overseas players in the lineup.

Standards haven't slipped at my club. We are a million miles better in EVERY facet on on off the field than we were in the days when Wigan dominated the sport.

I'd imagine St helens fans would say the same. And the Bulls, notwithstanding slippages in on field results this year.

I'd guess a Huddersfield fan thinks standards at their club are better than they were 1985-1995.

Probably most clubs would agree, bar Wigan.

So standards are falling at Wigan compared to the era in which they completed dominated the sport. I'll give you 8that. But that doesn't mean standards in the game are falling. because, however delusional Wigan fans from that era may be, Wigan are not "the game". They're one club within it.

And a clubs form rises and falls in cycles.

As a Wigan lad brought up watching Wigan RL win everything through the late 80's and early 90's, I simply don't get this concept of falling standards

You cannot watch old videos of a Wigan team destroying everybody and say that standards have fallen - that was a full time professional team playing part timers... put that equation into any sport and the pro's will come out on top

I think that Andy Gregory and Ellery Hanley were superstars of the game and immensely talented in different ways but the rest of the Wigan team (GB Players) of that era were good pro's but not outstanding. Danny McGuire is at least as good a player as a Sean Edwards was (I think better) - parachute McGuire into the Wigan team of the 80's and he would be a superstar

Same with Phil Clarke for example... no doubt in my mind that Joe Westerman is a more talented player

I could go on - but the point is that equalising standards does not necessarily reduce them

You'll have given one or two of them heart attacks with that kind of comment.

Shaun Edwards was a support player without peer, they are similar in styles in so many ways imo.

The funny thing is it wouldnt make much difference to Wigan if the cap was lifted, they'd still be mid table.

No, he wasn't.

Well thats strange, i seem to recall him making his debut in the first team in 2007, and doing rather well too.

Spot on.

Yes, he was. Smart .

He played at Batley and Castleford, IIRC.

I knew he had played in a couple of games but I was thinking more along the lines of regular first team appearances. I have no doubt that he would have gone on to be a regular feature but it seemed like the original poster was insinuating that he was playing regularly.