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| Quote: Andy Gilder "And a complete reversal of RFL policy, judging by their handling of Ian Smith's spat with Daniel Anderson last season...'"
Well having Thaler always in charge wouldn't solve anything, and would be unfair on us, seeing as how he is clueless and almost as bad as Alibert.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "All I want is to see an improvement in refereeing standard and if that means dropping refs if they aren't good enough then so be it.'"
No you want them publicly accountable, I'm curious as to what you think this would achieve, I am also wondering how a few games in lower leagues would help the performance of a SL ref. I'm sure when refs have a bad performance it gets review by the boss, just as when players do, you very rarely see managers come out and say 'joe bloggs was terrible today he did this wrong he did that wrong'.
Blaming the ref is avoiding the reason the team lost the game.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "Like I've said a few times, if I was as bad at my job as some of these "professional" referees are at theirs, I'd get sacked immediatley.'"
Not if there was nobody to replace you.
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| Hull KR started well and took a very early 8 zip lead. Huddersfield started poorly and then lost Fulton to a knee injury. Things were looking good for a Rovers win. However, as time went on Huddersfield came back into the game. Started making a few breaks, scored a try and kicked the touchline conversion.
The crowing started. "Forward!" they cried. No penalty. My, how can this be? The Rovers fans say penalty, surely a penalty it must be!
But no, Thaler chose to use his eyes and those of his touchjudges rather than the eyes of Hull KR fans twitchy at seeing their side lose their grip on the game. Morgan, used to seeing his side getting calls when the Rovers fans scream for a decision, was perplexed. Surely he should give the forward pass. After all, they called for it! It surely must be so!
I think much of this is frustration at watching a game go away from Rovers. They were looking good after ten minutes but it drifted away and they tried to sway the ref by calling forward etc every two seconds and booing when we had the ball. It was actually funny by the end, behind the sticks we Huddersfield speccies started joining in!
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| Quote: christopher "As for refs been wrapped in cotton wool, what good would it do if Cummins came out and the ens of every round critisising his employees in the press, I'm sure they review the performances and try and improve. The moaning about referees by fans and managers alike is laughable at times.
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I'm sorry but why is it almost seen as taboo to criticise a ref's performance after a game if they have made a few mistakes? Wrapping them up in cotton wool helps no one as it further adds to the fans frustrations if mistakes are happening and no responsibility is being owned up to.
Why is it seen as to much to ask for refs to hold their hands up and apologise after they make some bad decisions? Players are coaches are big enough to do it when mistakes occur so why can’t ref’s?
It’s just typical people in power not wanting to be held accountable to the public for the decisions they make.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "I'm sorry but why is it almost seen as taboo to criticise a ref's performance after a game if they have made a few mistakes? Wrapping them up in cotton wool helps no one as it further adds to the fans frustrations if mistakes are happening and no responsibility is being owned up to.
Why is it seen as to much to ask for refs to hold their hands up and apologise after they make some bad decisions? Players are coaches are big enough to do it when mistakes occur so why can’t ref’s?
It’s just typical people in power not wanting to be held accountable to the public for the decisions they make.'"
Because that would be way too reasonable, obviously
It seems some are happy to say "Our referees are bad, ah well, nothing we can do about it" and some would like to see something done about it!
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "Sorry Mr 14000 posts, your opinion is obviosuly more valid than mine because you don't like what I have to say
To be honest when Anderson was critical of Smith last year I'd have gone along with that. Collective punishment and it'd be tough on Thaler (that dripping sound is my heart bleeding ), as he'd be under intense scrutiny as to whether his judgement had been affected in either direction, but we can't have coaches, even one I like and admire, telling the RFL what to do - there has to be a hierarchy, otherwise the game would end up in chaos.
It could work in Rovers favour if we don't get Thaler for a while, Morgan might even regard any fine as money well spent, but it shouldn't.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "It seems some are happy to say "Our referees are bad, ah well, nothing we can do about it" and some would like to see something done about it!'"
No its just some of us don't thin knee jerk reactions and public floggins are the way to achieve a better standard of refereeing, just as doing the same to a player wouldn't make him a better player.
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| Quote: piemandan "Morgan is clearly a sore loser, this is all it boils down to.'"
If you listen to him after games where we have lost you will know he is far from a sore loser, in fact he is quite honest about our performances, what was annoying on Monday was the performance of a so called top official, which would have had any of SL coaches spitting feathers, let alone the fans getting irate. He was awful, there is one thing allowing the 'odd' encroachment into the ten to be overlooked to keep the game flowing, but in some of the sets he only took them back about 8 metres AND let them stand a metre offside, unless Crabtree has all of a sudden become faster than Usain Bolt from a standing start.
I know he will cop a fine, but as he said, he has raised the issues with the RFL through channels in the past and they have done nothing, now we have a pathetic performance from Thaler (again) and he has let his emotions get the better of him, he never once said we did not deserve to lose, he was quite clear we were the worst team and played badly.
I hope someone buys the match DVD and puts it on Youtube so you can all see how shocking Thaler was.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "No, it's more valid because you are an ignorant boor.
Do you have short term memory loss?
YOUR AGENDA
1. Referees are "on pedestals"
A coach can be fined for voicing his opinion about a referee, regardless of whether it's true or not.
2. They need to be "brought down"
... to a level where than can be criticised openly for poor performances.
3. They are apparently unaccountable
Publicly, yes. Did you see the pass in the Hull FC vs Salford game that ended up winning the game? Did Ian Smith get punished? Dunno, maybe, did he?
4. their performances are 'p*ss poor'
At times, yes
5. the 'refereeing standard has dropped'
I said "If anything...". You can hardly say it's got better since going full time.
6. they 'aren't good enough'
They aren't.
7. they should be publicly slagged off, to jolly well teach 'em
Now you're just making things up
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| Quote: christopher "No its just some of us don't thin knee jerk reactions and public floggins are the way to achieve a better standard of refereeing, just as doing the same to a player wouldn't make him a better player.'"
But if a player was consistantly performing poorly, he would be dropped into the reserves until he improves, the coach would not keep playing him KNOWING he wasn't up to it.
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| Stop blameing the reff blame your players and your Coaches,the Giants were too good for you move on.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Players are coaches are big enough to do it when mistakes occur so why can’t ref’s?'"
Are they? Presumably this is selective quoting of his post match comments by the media then - Morgan also talked about where he and his players failed in their attempt to beat Huddersfield?
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