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| Quote ="loiner81"Mate, give it up you're just embarrassing yourself.'"
It's this or Formula 1 and I find F1 more boring than a good RL outrage.
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| Quote ="Cronus"I didn't say elbow, I said forearm.
Watch Hohaia - after the ball goes up he bounces on his toes watching Flower, and then moves into his path, turning his back as he does so. He gets knocked down, jumped up and sprints at Flower and hits him in the face with his...yes, forearm.
Chasing play? Chasing a big Welshman more like.'"
Yes, he gets knocked down, by a punch to the back of the head
A PUNCH TO THE BACK OF THE HEAD
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| Quote ="Cronus"I didn't say elbow, I said forearm.
Watch Hohaia - after the ball goes up he bounces on his toes watching Flower, and then moves into his path, turning his back as he does so. He gets knocked down, jumped up and sprints at Flower and hits him in the face with his...yes, forearm.
Chasing play? Chasing a big Welshman more like.'"
Ok fair enough it wasn't you who said elbow, but again what you are trying to do is deflect some kind of blame from Flower, otherwise why are you trying to prove LH started it. He didn't flower pushed LH over with what looks like a punch to the back of the head. He started it and finished it. LH did sprint at Flower because he was chasing the ball and if you remember Flower had just dropped the ball with the try line begging, if you are looking for an excuse maybe the fact he bombed a try was more likely.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Hohaia clearly moves into Ben Flower's path, which he is not allowed to do. Flower doesn't have to run around him, he's entitled to continue running in a straight line. Perhaps it's you who needs to take your anti-Wigan specs off
Funny how there's much being made of Wigan fans supposedly defending Flower's punch, when almost everybody else is defending Hohaia's elbow to the face. It's all quite hypocritical.'"
So from next season the rules are if you are stood in the route of a chasing player, you are free game for a swinging arm.
I missed that rule change. Did that come in from the NRL, the International rules, the RFL or the I'm making the rules up as I go along.
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| Quote ="Standee"I hope you have a good legal team with allegations like that.'"
Wouldn,t need to Wane has already been quoted as saying "he has given permission to his players to be reckless" and we also have excellent video footage, if ever Lance took this to court (which he won't) I think he would have a strong case for ABH.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Hohaia clearly moves into Ben Flower's path, which he is not allowed to do. Flower doesn't have to run around him, he's entitled to continue running in a straight line. Perhaps it's you who needs to take your anti-Wigan specs off
Funny how there's much being made of Wigan fans supposedly defending Flower's punch, when almost everybody else is defending Hohaia's elbow to the face. It's all quite hypocritical.'"
Nobody needs to defend LHs 'elbow' to the face, it didn't happen.
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| I honestly don't know by there are pages commenting on what happened before hand. It is completely irrelevant what happened. All that beforehand is RL biff. The punch on the ground an a disgusting act.
One or two fans who normally defend thei team to the death, who know they can't in this situation are trying I make out fans are being hysterical by saying he could o to prison or killed Hohaia. No it's not, it's fact. He could have killed Hohaia and this tweet by Barrow police suggests te severity!!
@barrowpolice: When out and about tonight don't act like @WiganWarriorsRL Ben Flower or you will end up #bangedupinbarrow
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Scum.
LOL at Ben flower with his head in his heads. What did he think was going to happen? That's a cowardly act by anyones standards. If wigan lose I hope that eats away at him the rest of his life and causes depression.'"
Really?
no need mate
No need whatsoever
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I honestly don't know by there are pages commenting on what happened before hand. It is completely irrelevant what happened. All that beforehand is RL biff. The punch on the ground an a disgusting act.
One or two fans who normally defend thei team to the death, who know they can't in this situation are trying I make out fans are being hysterical by saying he could o to prison or killed Hohaia. No it's not, it's fact. He could have killed Hohaia and this tweet by Barrow police suggests te severity!!
@barrowpolice: When out and about tonight don't act like @WiganWarriorsRL Ben Flower or you will end up #bangedupinbarrow'"
care to provide a link to that made up @
if it were even close, it would be #
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"So from next season the rules are if you are stood in the route of a chasing player, you are free game for a swinging arm.
I missed that rule change. Did that come in from the NRL, the International rules, the RFL or the I'm making the rules up as I go along.'"
Doesn't look like a swinging arm to me, just looks like Hohaia changed direction into Flower's path and Flower collided with him. There wasn't much else he could do at that range. If I thougt he'd punched him I'd condemn it, just like I've condemned what he ended up doing to Lance. Do you think Lance was wrong to forearm Flower in the jaw?
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Hohaia clearly moves into Ben Flower's path, which he is not allowed to do. Flower doesn't have to run around him, he's entitled to continue running in a straight line. Perhaps it's you who needs to take your anti-Wigan specs off
Funny how there's much being made of Wigan fans supposedly defending Flower's punch, when almost everybody else is defending Hohaia's elbow to the face. It's all quite hypocritical.'"
HE'S NOT ENTITLED TO PUNCH HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Doesn't look like a swinging arm to me, just looks like Hohaia changed direction into Flower's path and Flower collided with him. There wasn't much else he could do at that range. If I thougt he'd punched him I'd condemn it, just like I've condemned what he ended up doing to Lance. Do you think Lance was wrong to forearm Flower in the jaw?'"
Watch it again, Flower at best 'pushed' LH over at worst he used his fist 3 times not 2.
I don't think LH forearm push would have got a mention if flower hadn't reacted, however I would have no problems with that being a yellow.
FWIW I think the try would have been chalked off if flower would have scored.
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| Quote ="christopher"https://twitter.com/barrowpolice/status/520990194712182784'"
and it's genuine, if so, someone from Barrow Police needs sacking.
As much as I agree with the fact that Flower should be in court, twitter comments from government employee's are unethical.
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| Quote ="christopher"Nobody needs to defend LHs 'elbow' to the face, it didn't happen.'"
Correct, a push by Hohia to show he wouldnt be bullied
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| Quote ="Standee"and it's genuine, if so, someone from Barrow Police needs sacking.
As much as I agree with the fact that Flower should be in court, twitter comments from government employee's are unethical.'"
Now THATS an over reaction right there.
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| Quote ="christopher"Now THATS an over reaction right there.'"
Why, it's not down to the Police to make comment on social media.
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| Quote ="Standee"Why, it's not down to the Police to make comment on social media.'"
I think they were more drawing a comparison, rather than specifically commenting on the Flower incident
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| Only just seen it. Thought it was a cowardly act, he looked out when he was on the floor and the second punch was just a disgrace. I see Wane is backing him up, perhaps a club ban of 6 months might show just how bad his actions were. You can guarantee the RFL will bottle it with a ban of 5 games or so.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Good to know that you think that allegedly calling a player a poof '" Hardaker called a referee, in a viciously aggressive manner, a "****ing faggot". The circumstances are of course entirely different to last night's horror show, but no one in their right mind, or maybe a subset of Leeds fans, still thinks that the 5 game ban for that and conducting an investigation when he clearly appeared to do a similar thing again a few weeks later, were anything other than justified.
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| Not sure what there is to get worked up about in the police saying that if you punch someone in the head on the ground while out in their town you'll end up in the cells.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I think they were more drawing a comparison, rather than specifically commenting on the Flower incident'"
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| If you buy a dog, are you surprised when it barks?
This is Wigan all over - they've dragged the game through the mud for several years now thanks to Michael Maguire's grubby attitude, and Shaun Wane carries on that fine tradition; win at all costs, play the game with reckless disregard for your fellow professionals and do absolutely anything to achieve even a minor competitive edge.
Flower went out with orders to take out Saints only hb, and a dangerous cocktail of being both too fired up and thick as two short planks has resulted in one of the most sickening acts of thuggery ever seen on a pro RL field; in two seconds of madness, he lost Wigan the GF, ensured that every neutral instantly started rooting for Saints, and brought more negative publicity on the game than Bradford, Gareth Hock and Zak Hardaker combined.
Shaun Wane must be a proud man this morning.
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| Quote ="Standee"still question why they are even on Social Media'"
Because everyone is on social media? It's 2014, not 1974.
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